Aloha, Now that the new list is up and running, how does everyone feel about
the
listserver automatically adding a [GZG-L] or [GZG] tag at the beginning
of every subject line (see my subject line)? It makes sorting easier to do
both electronically and visually, and most other listservs I'm on do it that
way. This subject was brought up on the old Bolton list (R.I.P.) and a lot of
people seemed to like the idea, but Jon White said that the mxbolton mail
server didn't have that capability. Now we're on Majordomo, though, which does
support the automatic tagging. New list admin Matthew Seidl said it would be
easy to implement, but we're both hoping for some input from the other list
members before making the change. And so with that I'd like to open it up to
the floor for debate.:)
trapper spake thusly upon matters weighty:
Won't matter to me - I read stuff regardless. I could filter on an
incoming tag, bujt I probably would not. I'm just as happy as is. I see this
tag as superflous.... with a good mailer you should be able to filter on
source address. But, I'll go with the majority:)
> Aloha,
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For me it would be annoying - the subject tags should be enough
FT DS SG OT and for me are better as I want to sort by subject as I don't have
time to read it all. If we all used the subject tags then the set of them
would be the mailing list traffic.
NO.
> On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Thomas Barclay wrote:
> Aloha,
Personally, I'd hate it. My emailer (Eudora light) filters just fine, thank
you!
- Sam
Thomas spake thusly upon matters weighty:
My apologies. Can't you sort on the 'reply-to' address? Which should
be csua.berkeley.edu?
> On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Thomas Barclay wrote:
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> On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, Thomas Barclay wrote:
it's not your fault!
> Can't you sort on the 'reply-to' address? Which should
no, i use pine, the mailer of nobodies. because of the way i get my mail, i
have no ability to install cleverer (win95 etc) things. boo. maybe i'll write
my own mailer in perl...
my vote is in favour of adding a [gzg] prefix; another list i'm on does this
and it's no big problem. the only thing would be making sure majordomo handles
it properly when people reply, so we don't get:
subject: [gzg] re: [gzg] re: [gzg] [ft] pulse torpedoes
as this would suck.
Tom
> In message <199811250146.RAA01148@mail.nwlink.com> trapper writes:
Wot ho.
> Now that the new list is up and running, how does everyone feel
Personally, I am entirely ambivalent.
However, a similar question that I'd add is:
Should there be a .sig-file-type addition to the bottom of each
message giving unsub details? I've seen this on many other
(majordomo-run) lists, and it seems to stop people sending their
unsubs to the list address, an action for which we have seen many sterling
examples of as we switched lists. This not only reduces the (entirely trivial
degree of) irritation to the list members, but would reduce the workload of
the list administrator who has to sort out all that tiresome nonsense.
Another point I'd like to make is that the list of subscribers that you can
from majordomo seems to be entriely unprotected.
I tend to create a new address for each mailing-list that I'm on,
so when one of these addresses gets junk e-mail I can tell for a
fact that the list-server has been raided by some spam bastard
out for new live addresses. D'oh, I hate it when that happens.
Can these be done Matthew? Are there other groovy options that we can debate
the need for?
> Thomas Anderson <thomas.anderson@university-college.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:22:13 +1300, "Andrew & Alex" writes:
wrote:
> my vote is in favour of adding a [gzg] prefix; another list i'm on
As people on the b5w or starfire list can attest to. I can add a tag to the
subject line, and it won't get repeated. But so far it seems like people would
perfer to leave it the way it is now.
On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:43:44 GMT, db-ft@westmore.demon.co.uk (David
Brewer) wrote:
> However, a similar question that I'd add is:
I agree with David on this point. I like this. Some of the other lists I'm on
have this feature. I never really used it until I switched e-mail
accounts, but this would be very useful in stopping thos unsub commands
hitting the list itself.
> Should there be a .sig-file-type addition to the bottom of each
Some lists I'm on add x- headers
(WARNING--THESE ARE NOT FOR THE GZG-L!):
List-Subscribe:
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=subscribe%20community>
List-Digest:
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=subscribe%20digest%20c
ommunity>
List-Unsubscribe:
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=unsubscribe%20communit
y>
Something like that might turn the trick; even though some mailers don't
recognize the subject=... part, it gives the right address.
- Sam
> trapper wrote:
> Aloha,
Yes, please!
My mail handler can sort after the "from" line, but... it makes a difference
between upper and lower case letters. If I search for
"gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU" I won't catch, eg, "gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu"
or
"gzg-l@CSUA.berkeley.edu". It also won't catch any posts where someone
CCs a post to the list.
Since I've recieved posts from this list with a lot of different
combinations of upper and lower case letters, as well as CC-ed posts, I
now have 5 (!) entries in the "Organize inbox" list just to sort the FT
list. I think that that is about 4 too many :-(
FWIW, the Starfire list uses the subject line tag [SF]. Works beautifully
:-) (Matthew is the list admin for that one as well, BTW - no major
problem for the past four years or so IIRC :-) )
So a resounding YES from me!
Later,
Thomas Barclay asked:
> Thomas spake thusly upon matters weighty:
I can't do this. "To", "From", "Copy" and "Subject" are the only options
I have; without a subject line tag I have to use the "To" field - which,
since people use several different ways to post to this server, isn't
very easy :-( It works reasonably, but it isn't failsafe and *very*
clumsy.
For the record, I now have *six* separate entries in the "organize inbox"
field to make sure all GZG-list posts are placed in the GZG folder.
There are 7 other entries: one each for the Starfire, DBM and Chipco lists and
four kill-file entries (two against people on the DBM list, one against
LPE-related posts on the Chipco list and one against DBR-related posts
on
the DBM list since I'm not interested in 17th-19th century warfare).
Later,
> Matthew wrote:
> As people on the b5w or starfire list can attest to. I can add a tag
Hm. It seems to me that those who come from tagged lists (eg, starfire or b5w)
are mainly positive to the automatic [GZG] tags, but those who aren't used to
them are more negative. I could be wrong, of course.
Later,
Oerjan spake thusly upon matters weighty:
Or perhaps those that just wouldn't get any use from it. I admit the only
issue I have is if we start tagging everything with
[GZG-L][SG2][DS2][HIST] .... or the various other permutations...
we'll end up with some awful long subject lines. Now, that isn't the end of
the world, but for my own sake, I don't need the extra tag. I can sort
(admittedly using a few rules) on the list address and so I'm not too
concerned.
But if tags make a huge difference, I'm all for it. Is there any way to add
them at the end of the subject line instead though so if stuff
needs cropped in my mailers view, it would be the [GZG-L] tag? Would
that screw up the sorting? Is that possible?
> Matthew wrote:
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> On Thu, Nov 26, 1998 at 04:12:13PM -0500, Thomas Barclay wrote:
The one thing the anti-taggers on the ML seem to miss is that some of
us subscribe to five or more MLs on a dozen different subjects and the
automatic collection of threads in a single ML into a coherent cluster via a
simple and quick subject sort can never be overestimated in usefullness.
In most mailer's field cropping, its the rear end that gets hacked off anyway,
mind you, so placing tags at the end, aside from flaunting tradition and
removing the usefullness of a quick alphabetic sorting, won't help with
subject crop anyway.
> The one thing the anti-taggers on the ML seem to miss is that some of
I use Netscape Communicator so this might not apply to everybody, but I
set the mail filter to check the "To:" field for "gzg-l". This seems to
catch the posts from this newsgroup.
> Should there be a .sig-file-type addition to the bottom of each
These are IMO just more noise. More annoying than the odd message to the wrong
server. Any sig over 4 lines is too much and adding these in plus personal
sigs is going to look very noisy. Especially for those one liner throwaway
posts.
Also over time people will not actually read them and visually filter them out
and so we will still get
incorrect un-sub requests. They are just a fact of life.
If they can be turned on per user fine - but not as a general
list option.
Lets assume most people have a clue and help those that don't.
> On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:24:21 -0000, "Tim Jones" writes:
The current list software should catch all of the miss-directed unsub
requests and send them just to me. So I'd tend to vote against adding a list
footer.
Now, the subject tags are still up in the air.
> On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:31:18 -0700, Samuel Reynolds writes:
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=subscribe%20community>
> List-Digest:
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=subscribe%20dig
> est%20community>
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=unsubscribe%20communit
y>
> Something like that might turn the trick; even though
I've been considering adding something like these to the lists, but they seem
to bloat the headers a LOT. Do any mailing programs
actaully auto-parse these?
> So I'd tend to vote against adding
And those of us who generally read mail on a palm pc would really appreciate
not adding the extra storage requirements a footer (however small) would
entail...
> On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:37:15 GMT, Allan Goodall writes:
The new list auto-filters these type of commands, so they shouldn't
hit the list anyway.
> On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:21:40 -0500, Alexander Williams writes:
> needs cropped in my mailers view, it would be the [GZG-L] tag? Would
It doesn't look like its possible to add the tag at the end without some major
hacking. I'd need to add variables to the config files, etc. So for the near
term its at the begining or nothing.
> Some lists I'm on add x- headers
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=subscribe%20community>
> List-Digest:
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=subscribe%20dig
> est%20community>
<mailto:requests@lists.scriptmeridian.org?subject=unsubscribe%20communit
y>
> Something like that might turn the trick; even though
They do indeed.
> Do any mailing programs
I'm not sure what you mean by auto-parse.
Eudora Light (and presumably other versions of Eudora)
makes them hot-links, but doesn't recognize the subject=
parameter. Netscape hots them up and (I think) recognizes the subject=
parameter. (The only thing I can think of that Netscape's mailer does better
than Eudora!)
- Sam