Where's the Cheese? AND new 25mmGZG Halftrack!

2 posts ยท Feb 19 2000 to Feb 20 2000

From: Owen Glover <oglover@b...>

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:47:04 +1000

Subject: RE: Where's the Cheese? AND new 25mmGZG Halftrack!

It is using the rules to gain the advantage rather than the game mechanics or
tactical employment of your squads that makes it cheesy.

In RL (quaint abbrev for Real Life), a squad leader will use fire control
orders to manage his squads fire. He may command the rifle teams to engage one
target and his SAW team to fire on another, but if engaging one target it will
be a single order.

Taking it even further in cheesiness, I've seen guys try to argue that since
they have 6 riflemen with FP 3 rifles that they are wasting the fire of two of
them (6xFP3=18 but they only get a d12) so they wish to fire 4 rifles in one
action and then use a second action to fire the other two!!

The best try was to fire three rifles getting a d10 (remeber you round
up?)
in the first and then the second three rifles with a d10 in the second action.
Now throw a couple of IAVRs in each action; argued that if the riflemen aren't
firing the Rifle then they can fire the IAVR!!

This is only one example of where a player can exploit the 'letter of the
rule' and not play in the spirit of the game. Needless to say no-one
plays against him very much!

So, where do you 'cut the cheese'?

By the way, I just picked up a new 25mm GZG Half Track vehicle from Nic at
Eureka Mins. Anyone else seen this one? Perfect for the Islamic platoons and I
think the FSE legion to use too! Maybe even useable in the Antarctic eh Beth?

Owen G

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From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@a...>

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:06:04 GMT

Subject: Re: Where's the Cheese? AND new 25mmGZG Halftrack!

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:47:04 +1000, "Glover, Owen"
<oglover@museum.vic.gov.au> wrote:

> Taking it even further in cheesiness, I've seen guys try to argue that

This is allowed by the rules. Okay, so you consider it cheesy. Personally, I'd
allow it and don't consider it cheesy.

Here's why I don't think it's cheesy: if you disallow split fire like this,
your opponent has an easy way around it. He does a reorg action to detach part
of the squad. He can now have his squad split exactly as he wants in your
example, albeit with limitations to movement. He then uses one action each to
fire the two parts of his squad in exactly this manner. The only difference is
that now he doesn't have to make both parts of his squad maintain unit
integrity.

Since you can split a squad and get the same result, I don't see why you need
to outlaw the player from doing it without first splitting the squad. It seems
somewhat logical, actually.

This really is only an issue when using big squads. Large squads have the
advantage in that they take more losses to lose morale levels. Small squads
have the advantage of having more actions. You can always create scenarios
with smaller squad sizes to do away with this problem.

And I really don't think your opponent's "cheese" is that big of an advantage.
Use his interpretation against him and drop suppression markers on him. Once
he has to start removing suppression markers, his ability to split fire like
that goes away or is limited.

Again, it's a matter of interpretation of the spirit of the rules. But I'd
allow it, and wouldn't hold it against anyone trying to do it.