What are these?

7 posts ยท Jul 17 1998 to Jul 17 1998

From: Tom Sullivan <starkfist@h...>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:49:20 PDT

Subject: What are these?

Whilst wandering the web, I ran across a site with some very nice pictures of
Epic 40K stuff...not of real interest to the folks of this list. However, in
amongst the pictures of the Landraiders and such were

several photos of "VTOL Transports" and a partial shot of a "Landing
Craft".  The page mentions that there are some Copeland/GZG figures in
the pictures, and thse seem to be the right style. However, I don't recognize
them.... The VTOL looks like the "Boxcar" style VTOL with a huge turbine
engine on each side. The "Landing Craft" is difficult to describe, especially
since it is only partially visible, but what I can see looks pretty neat. Were
either of these ever released in the US? And what are they called?

The page is:
http://www.felixent.force9.co.uk/games/index.html

follow the link to miniatures, and then to SF-Epic.

From: Andy Skinner <askinner@a...>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:18:07 -0400

Subject: RE: What are these?

I posted about the same site this morning.:) (I've done so before here,
too.)

I don't believe those VTOLs were by GW. They could be Ground Zero Games, I
suppose, though they don't look like any of the minis on the Geohex page:
http://www.geohex.com

The Reviresco stuff seems to use more helicopters:
http://www.halcyon.com/shamrock/doe/doecat.html

I don't know where they are from. I think they look like GZG style, though.

From: Andy Skinner <askinner@a...>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:29:29 -0400

Subject: RE: What are these?

> I posted about the same site this morning. :) (I've done so

Whoops, I wasn't paying attention. I posted about that site on the epic list
this morning, and somehow thought I this message was on that list. I also
skimmed the message, and didn't see you had already agreed they weren't GW and
looked like GZG.

Sorry.

They are nice pictures, though.:)

From: Tim Jones <Tim.Jones@S...>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:41:11 +0100

Subject: RE: What are these?

Page says Snapdragon, AFAIK the lifting fan VTOL isn't GZG.

From: Stuart Murray <smurray@a...>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:43:27 -0400

Subject: RE: What are these?

> I don't believe those VTOLs were by GW. They could be Ground Zero

The VTOLs are Boxcar VTOLs from the former Copeland Future Wars series.

From: Ground Zero Games <jon@g...>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:43:58 +0100

Subject: Re: What are these?

> Whilst wandering the web, I ran across a site with some very nice

Haven't checked the page in question, but from your description the VTOL
sounds like the old CMD "heavy" VTOL, which we have back in production as
the Super Boxcar, code DF-V05; it uses the Boxcar cockpit, a much
enlarged rear section and two big ducted lift fans on the sides. I suspect the
Landing Craft may be the flatbed VTOL heavy lifter that CMD did - a flat
load deck, small frontal cockpit and four of the same fan units the Super
Boxcar uses. We've not got round to re-releasing this one yet.

Jon (GZG)
> The page is:

From: Steve Blease <steve.blease@c...>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:44:10 +0100

Subject: Re: What are these?

> Stuart Murray wrote:

... and the half visible landing craft is actually a 1/200th scale resin
model from The Drum's Vietnam range. There are three or four different models
which James painted up for the SFSFW Battle of The Mouths of The Fly Rivers
party game at Salute 95. They make nice 6mm models though and
worked well with the old Copelands resin/metal gunboat.