> Absender: oerjan.ohlson@telia.com
we also far too often identify the parts a kit-bashed "SF" vehicle
> is built from.
Same problem with plane-kit-bashed spaceships, I often recognize the
basic components :-(
Even happens with graphics. I remember 'SF' illustrations of
'spaceships' that were easily recognizable as B-58 Hustlers or F-16
Falcons wit h
beam guns added, complete with air intakes :-)
> BTW, there's a set of vehicle recognition tests on-line at
I just did it without errors, but I was forewarned about the Gepard and some
of them were guesses. Haven't taken the naming test yet.
Some of the 'friend or foe' pictures were tricky, like the Brits in front of
an Arab mosque or the Leopard variant (the Italian 'Lion', I guess?) in desert
colours. And I guess in some quarters anything painted white with big 'UN'
letters would be automatically identified as 'foe'.
Greetings Karl Heinz
> Karl Heinz Ranitzsch wrote:
> Sounds like Oerjan (and several others...) need some help in
...one of the reasons I don't use plane-kits to build spaceships :-/ I
do use 1/300 scale ground vehicle models though - Kra'Vak and Eldar
ground vehicles, to be exact <g>
(...though given the appearance of the Kra'Vak tanks I really had no
choice - the first comment when my opponents saw them was "Oh - new KV
cruisers! Cool! When's "FB4 - Alien Reinforcements" to be published?"
<sigh>)
> Even happens with graphics. I remember 'SF' illustrations of
Air intakes on spaceships is a traditional feature. Look at the
X-wings...
> BTW, there's a set of vehicle recognition tests on-line at
The Union Jack on the front plate was a bit of a giveaway, though <g>
> (the Italian 'Lion', I guess ?) in desert colours.
Don't think so - if it's the one I'm thinking of it's got a German
cross (is that the Iron Cross, or does it have any other name?) on the turret.
> And I guess in some quarters anything painted white with big 'UN'
<g>
Later,
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
> Don't think so - if it's the one I'm thinking of it's got a German
Maltese Cross?
> --- Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:
...
> Don't think so - if it's the one I'm thinking of
...
> Later,
From: John Leary <john_t_leary@yahoo.com>
> --- Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:
To put matters straight: The WWII German cross with straight edges is the
'Balkenkreuz' ('Beam Cross') The modern (and WW I) with curved edges is the
'Eiserne Kreuz' ('Iron Cross' after the old Prussian medal). The 'Maltese
Cross' has nothing to do with Germany, but rather with the
Knight Hospitallers of Malta (and their present-day caritative
successors).
It's cross beams are triangular with cut-outs at the end.
Greetings Karl Heinz
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> A "Maltese cross" usually means the one used by the Knights of St. John
> It was used by the Germans in WWI, but AFAIK not
> John Leary wrote:
> Don't think so - if it's the one I'm thinking of it's got a German
Hm?
A "Maltese cross" usually means the one used by the Knights of St.John
(still used by St. John's Ambulance) - you know, the one where each arm
tapers inward to a point in the center, and the outer end of the arm is split
into two points. It was used by the Germans in WWI, but AFAIK not after that
(not as vehicle markings anyway; possibly for medals though).
Karl?
> Alan Brain wrote:
[About the Maltese cross]
> It's the current marking for armoured vehicles of the Bundeswehr, and
> Karl H. Ranitzsch wrote:
> The modern (and WW I ) with curved edges is the 'Eiserne Kreuz'
Hm. They seem to contradict one another... I suspect Karl is more reliable in
this particular case <g>
Later,
> At 05:49 PM 10/12/2000 +0100, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
Karl is correct - the Maltese Cross is not part of the Bundeswehr
markings.
The Army Technology website has a good pic of a Leopard 2/A5 MBT -
here's the URL:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/leop1.html
The Bundewehr mark on the side is definitely not a Maltese Cross. :-)
> >The modern (and WW I ) with curved edges is the 'Eiserne Kreuz'
Agree.
> KH Ranitzsch wrote:
> No I was thinking about picture #13.
Ah, that one... the turret is quite similar to a Leo 1A3 or later, but the
hull shape is all wrong. It confused me too at first.
> Looking more closely it has an Italian flag on the number plate. Or is
French, though I couldn't determine which either at first (red-green
colourblind). Fortunately French or Italian doesn't matter in the "Foe
or Friend" test (the NSL hasn't split off yet ;-) ), and in the
nomenclature test you get four alternatives to choose from - and it was
none of the other three <g>
> In the latter case it would have to be some AMX 30 variant with
There was an AMX-30 variant with an angular turret (and a bunch of
other upgrades) called the AMX-32, but this is its bigger brother
AMX-40 (quite different hull shape, 120mm gun instead of 105mm).
Both of these were designed for the export market, but AFAIK never
actually sold to anyone... not sure why the AMX-40 is included in the
tests when you're not really likely to encounter it in the field <shrug>
Later,