> At 11:01 AM +0100 4/8/02, Tony Francis wrote:
I'd say a Panzer I is closer to size 2. Not so much based on the foot print
but the volume too.
> Any very small (ie class-1) tank with a main gun and co-ax MG
Renault FTs could be a class 1, but I'd go up a bit to class 2.
> British A9 cruiser (2-pdr, co-ax MG, two independent turreted MG -
I pretty much put jeep sized vehicles at class 1. Class 2 fits most smaller
armored vehicles. A M151 is small. It can carry a single MG or if you really
want to beef it up, a bit of extra MGs and kit in the case of the Fast Attack
version of the M151 that one MEU put together.
Tanks and Armored cars tend to be taller. A dingo would be a 1, but a ferret a
2. I say this based on the Ferret's ability in the Mk2 version to carry 3
people and its taller form. The Fox is definitely a class 2. Luchs I rate as
class 3.
Sherman variants I'd put in the class 3 or 4 size, those suckers are
tall. Greyhound class 2-3. Hard to say. I'd have to walk around the
real thing a bit more. Saladin's are definitely class 3.
Abrams goes to class 4. M88, I'd say class 4 as well.
When deciding size for a vehicle, I try to look at it's volume for the basis.
Ryan, collector of 1:1 scale military vehicles.
I don't try to do much backward fitting of vehicles.
I take a size 3 and equate that to about the size of an Abrams.
I make size 1 be a 2-4 man vehicle (large
quadrunner/dunebuggy/jeep/Pickup
Truck/Battletech Savanamaster/ with a HUMMV at about the max before
going to size 2.
I have really big stuff at size 5 (Catepiller 797
http://www.cat.com/cgi-bin/equipment_proddetail_overview.cgi?type=overvi
ew&i
d=797&family=Off+Highway+Trucks&subfamily=Off+Highway&model=&subfamilyid
=307 &rgnid=NACD&headerimageid=C015478, Large Cargo Planes, ICBM crawlers,
etc.)
Biger than size 5 would be ships, dropships, largest cargo planes (C5A),
railroad transported guns, Ogres, etc.
I have most military vehicles at size 2-3 with some at 4 (Future Wars
Andromeda http://www.geohex.com/vifwt16.htm and Antron
http://www.geohex.com/vifwt09.htm and GZG Phalanx
http://www.geohex.com/dsm104.htm).
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Brian Bell
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> Ryan Gill wrote:
Based on capability, a three man Ferret with an MG is still only a class one
vehicle. Three passengers only require three capacity points and
(strictly speaking) crew don't require any space at all - they're built
into the requirements for the weapon. DS2 isn't granular enough to
differentiate between a 2-man scout car with MG (Dingo) and a three man
one with an MG (Ferret). I'd still make both class-1 vehicles.
> Sherman variants I'd put in the class 3 or 4 size, those suckers are
I don't think I'd ever rate a Sherman and M-1 as the same size class !!
Looking at volumes, the basic Sherman is 5.9m x 2.6m x 2.7m - so a crate
big enough to hold one would have a volume of 41m^3. The M-1 is 7.9m x
3.7m x 2.4m, volume 70m^3 (and the gun would stick out the end of the crate!).
> At 4:13 PM +0100 4/8/02, Tony Francis wrote:
> Based on capability, a three man Ferret with an MG is still only a
Thing is, the ferret isn't much smaller than the Fox and that runs around with
quite a bit more than your 4 person car as far as armament. The basis for the
ferret being larger is both it's vertical height and the increased weight and
capacity. The stowage bins all around the sides adds quite a bit to the
capacity.
The Fox works out with a turreted RFAC 2 and crew plus 1-2 MGs.
> > Sherman variants I'd put in the class 3 or 4 size, those suckers
3-4. The Shermans are pretty tall compared to the Abrams. They are on
the middle side of class 3. I was making a wag here.... So granted, sherman 3,
abrams, 4. Given how much milage and modifications the Israeli's have gotten
out of and done to their shermans, I'd say they could creep into the class 4
range.