UV detection mutants

From: "Roger Burton West" <roger@firedrake.org>

> >Didn't always work. The Brits found that some people can see

> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:35:44PM +1100, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:

(Actually, no, the bit you quoted was from Laserlight.)

> Interesting. I'm dark, brown-eyed and a Pom myself, but can see the

I also have dark hair and brown eyes, and high enough UV sensitivity that I
used to be dazzled by UV fluorescent tubes...

Getting this _vaguely_ back on topic, does Tuffleyverse technology
support full-spectrum camouflage gear? Given the IR component, I suspect
it would be rolled into ECM/EW to some extent.

R

> Eventually they realized that the pilots who

AE Brain said:
> Interesting. I'm dark, brown-eyed and a Pom myself, but can see

Polarity shift from being in Australia, of course.

Roger Burton West schrieb:
> Getting this _vaguely_ back on topic, does Tuffleyverse

Or the "Stealth" qualifier in DSII.

Greetings Karl Heinz

G'day,

> Getting this _vaguely_ back on topic, does Tuffleyverse technology

You'd hope so given some of the comments floated about the spectrum KV see.

Cheers

From: "Roger Burton West" <roger@firedrake.org>

> Getting this _vaguely_ back on topic, does Tuffleyverse technology

Dunno about full-spectrum, but OZCAM is both IR and visual cammo - as
are our face creams.

> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 06:58:13PM +1100, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:

> Dunno about full-spectrum, but OZCAM is both IR and visual cammo - as

That'll disrupt the patterns, which is good. I'm thinking, though, about
guarding against observation by passive IR - if you can't stand in front
of a body-heat background, you will be visibly radiating. There are
things that can be done about this - thick uniforms, cooling units
linked to heat-sinks - but they're short-term solutions at best. I
suspect that only something like powered armour will be sufficiently sealed to
get reliably to ambient temperature... though with sufficient tech many of
these problems could be solved.

> At 9:56 AM +0000 1/10/02, Roger Burton West wrote:

You really mean passive Thermal. Remember, there is near Infra-red
and far Infra-red. The thermal stuff is far and has a much longer
wavelength than the near infra red does.

> of a body-heat background, you will be visibly radiating. There are

You still have to vent the heat somewhere. I'd think a spray of water that was
just a bit cooler than ambient would help a good bit.

> At 06:58 10/01/02 +1100, Alan wrote:

I always find this information interesting, when the AUSCAM uniforms were
first issued, comments were made almost informally by NCOs and platoon
commanders that they were supposed have some sort of IR camo. But this would
be degraded by washing them, no further detailed explanation was ever given
and we washed our uniforms regularly. It could well be true but it

soon joined other such interesting army myths such as the 'self-zeroing
rifle' leaving it on the range overnight, come back next morning and it would
be zeroed in;)

Ryan Gill schrieb:

> You still have to vent the heat somewhere. I'd think a

Go really high-tech: an internal distribution system where the water
drips out through microscopic apertures distributed all over the surface.

Ooops, sorry, has been developed 200K+ years ago, called sweating.
Works fine at ambient temperatures above 37° Celsius (100 Fahrenheit)

;-)
Karl Heinz

> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 06:58:13PM +1100, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:

Face Creams?

"Yes, ladies! It protects you on the batlefield and removes wrinkles at the
same time...."

Gracias,

From: "Derek Fulton" <derekfulton@bigpond.com>

> >Dunno about full-spectrum, but OZCAM is both IR and visual cammo - as

> At 06:45 11/01/02 +1100, Alan wrote:

I'm not disputing the facts, just pointing out how useful it was to the end
users:) Sure ADFA cadets at malfunction junction (Canberra) might be able to
look after their uniforms in the prescribed manner, no worries. But a

reservist unit in North Queensland who has to make things last?

From: "Derek Fulton" <derekfulton@bigpond.com>

> I'm not disputing the facts, just pointing out how useful it was to

You're supposed to get a new issue every month. In theory. I reckon the odds
of this ever happening short of war are zero.

> At 12:32 12/01/02 +1100, you wrote:
But a
> > reservist unit in North Queensland who has to make things last?

From: "Derek Fulton" <derekfulton@bigpond.com>
> >You're supposed to get a new issue every month. In theory. I reckon

I believe so... there the logistics scandal is about the substandard footwear.
Heads will Roll for this one.

> At 12:16 13/01/02 +1100, Alan wrote:

Well maybe, but I did ask the question and here's the answer.

"that the IR function lasts longer than a month if the items are not hot

ironed or tumbled dry. But the worry of IR capabilities of the uniform do not
come into effect for replacement issues. In Timor, as well as any other
environments, the uniforms are only exchanged as required basis due to
unservicability, the IR factor is not considered for the serviceability rating
of the uniform. This is as per issue instructions across the Defence Force
from combat clothing Melbourne".

Cheers