I couldn't get it with the first one but depending on your web-browser,
this one should work, as it was uploaded with an upper-case file name.
(IE3 is case specific for some reason.)
http://members.xoom.com/gzg_l/usa/USATL.ASC
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> -----Original Message-----
> "Robertson, Brendan" wrote:
> I couldn't get it with the first one but depending on your
I will have to fix that...
Interesting stuff. Two things really jump out at me, though:
1) They took the LIBERTY BELL??? Given how massy the damn thing is, as its
dubious actual historical significance, I find that hard to believe. The
Constitution is a good idea, though.
2) Why on earth would representatives of a government dedicated to the
separation of church and state seek the blessings of the Pope? Let
alone take along a semi-official clerical arm? This makes no sense at
all, unless you add some sort of Catholic/Government or Catholic/Free
Space connection earlier in the timeline. The idea of leaving records with the
Vatican isn't bad, but I don't buy the rest.
On the other hand, if there are any Catholic clergy among the would-be
colonists, I could easily believe that they might be in secret correspondance
with the Pope, and that the records could be passed that way.
> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Robertson, Brendan wrote:
> I couldn't get it with the first one but depending on your
the case-sensitivity is in the server, not the browser; if it didn't
work with IE, it shouldn't work with navigator, opera, lynx, hotjava or
anything else. for once, it isn't the suckiness of IE that's the problem*,
it's the suckiness of Xoom's webserver! well, i suppose it's not being wrong,
just pedantic. it's apache 1.2.5, in case anyone was wondering
...
* no offence to the MS guys on the list :-)
> On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Donald Hosford wrote:
> Check Thomas's FTP site, for my USA nation file.
it's not *my* site, it's everyone's. i just set it up. and it's not an ftp
site, it's a website. it's just that it's also accessible by ftp.
Tom
> 2) Why on earth would representatives of a government dedicated to the
The US Government was not actually intended to separate church and state.
That's a phrase lifted out of context from the Federalist Papers and bandied
about by people who have an anti-religion agenda to push. If the
American separatists are hearkening back to the Founding Fathers, they might
reasonably ask the blessings of the Church on their endeavor--although I
wouldn't expect them to pay all that much attention to the Vatican.
> Jonathan Jarrard wrote:
> Interesting stuff. Two things really jump out at me, though:
They took those things, because they helped to found the country. And because
there is only one of each item (as far as i know), it is an identifier...
> 2) Why on earth would representatives of a government dedicated to
America was founded by christians...It still is (mostly) a christian country.
Unlike the other colony ventures, these peaple didn't want to create an
american based colony, they wanted to recreate America itself. (America didn't
end, it just moved...)
> On the other hand, if there are any Catholic clergy among the would-be
An interesting idea, but as of 2188, there are no interstellar communications
technologies...
Thanks for the comments!
> Laserlight wrote:
I am intimately familiar with the Church/State debate, and while I will
grant you that the original intent was not to completely eliminate religion
from government, there was certainly an intent to prevent anything that
smacked of establishing a state church. The way the contacts with the Vatican
(both pre and post exodus) are presented sound way too close for comfort. And
while you can postulate almost anything you like happening during the American
exile (the bizarre development of Kerensky's forces in the BattleTech
universe, for instance), I have trouble seeing the Federales doing it before
they even left.
> Donald Hosford wrote:
Actually, I meant secret correspondance before the colonists left.
> Jonathan Jarrard wrote:
> Laserlight wrote:
The way I see it, they are not starting a "state church". They are providing
an
opertunity for the church to be involved -- not a state church, but to
provide a familier moral base to their society. America without its churches,
would stop being the america the travellers knew.
(America didn't end, it just moved...)
(OTOH, if someone wants the americans to come back different, have fun!)
> Jonathan Jarrard wrote:
> > > 2) Why on earth would representatives of a government dedicated
Let
> > > alone take along a semi-official clerical arm? This makes no