UNSC (emotional rant)

2 posts ยท Mar 17 2001 to Mar 18 2001

From: Enzo de Ianni <enzodeianni@t...>

Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:21:28 +0100

Subject: UNSC (emotional rant)

> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:23:49 -0800 (PST)

Either a sudden change or a violent one or a series of slow modifications of
the laws, it definitely happens (or happened) because people thought those
guys had the answer to someterrible crisis; yes, I think you are right.

> Yes, Hitler won a fair election. The election was

Well, first of all, some political systems, like Weimar Germany or
contemporary Italy, do not permit the direct election of the executive chief
(the chief of the government, prime minister or chancellor... whatever) but
ask for a further nomination by elected members of parliament... the different
parties form an "alliance" that will support a government headed by this guy
or the other... that's no backroom deals, just a different constitution. The
fact that a single party do not have a clear majority do not make less
authorized to rule... today's Germany chancellor is a leftist, whose
government is supported by Greens... so what? Is he not a constitutionally
sound governor? He won because some parties, among them all, are the majority
and could find a commom way to rule things, nominate him and support him.

The oft-quoted "even Hitler
> was elected" statement is pure myth.

As you saw, no myth. Sorry.

It's also not
> true that the various parties' thugs had "equality of

That's definitely true... I never heard about organized militias other than
Communist and Nazi.

and even then the
> German law enforcement tended to deal with Nazi thugs

Well, you may remember that the Reds tried to overcome the country in a bloody
revolution and that veteran organizations were instrumental to save the day...
most of those organizations supported, later, the Nazis... so you can
understand that the authorities took it easy, some times... they
were brothers-in-arms... TWICE! And, anyway, the violent takeover that
Nazis tried, before, winning the elections, was blunted by a limited if very
professional intervention of the army, at Munich... not exactly a supportive
attitude, I would say.

Concerning
> the "brownshirt" disbandment, the SA continued in

But the SS were not a party militia, they were a new "police" force... with
some twists, to put it mildly. And I heard that during the later stages of the
war, the SA saw a comeback, even originating their own "military" branch...

Bye

From: Richard and Emily Bell <rlbell@s...>

Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:32:49 -0500

Subject: Re: UNSC (emotional rant)

> Enzo De Ianni wrote:

> >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:23:49 -0800 (PST)

I cannot believe that I forgot to mention my favorite example of how things
usually change suddenly, not gradually. In the late twentieth century, a
former colony of the British Empire with a long history of parliamentary
democracy ordered the army to patrol the city streets to impose order and
suspended all