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Kagemusha has the best one-sided battle/slaughter this side of the WW2
Wermacht-vs-Polish (horse) cavalry "duels".
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As has been pointed out on the list, Kagemusha is not Kurosawa, but a damn
fine piece.
If you are doing Kurosawa weekend, mixing in films that influenced him, and
vice versa, is fun for me.
Westerns were big for him; you can certainly see that in Yojimbo and Sanjuro.
I haven't figured which came first, those two or the spaghetti westerns, but
they are very close.
Throne of Blood was based on Macbeth, while Ran used King Lear.
In the other direction, watch Seven Samurai, followed by the Magnificent
Seven, and Hidden Fortress followed by Star Wars.
Sorry, Laser, but somebody pushed my trigger. ;->=
Striving mightily to bring this back on track, didn't some of the early
Japanese sci-fi have space battles? I'm thinking maybe Mysterians had an
attack on a moombase, but now we're talking WAY back.
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:23:46 -0500 devans@uneb.edu wrote:
[Snip Doug's small faux pas regarding Kagemusha <g>]
> Westerns were big for him [Kurosawa]; you can certainly see that in
Kurosawa! The Italians made "For a Fistful of Dollars" and "For a Few Dollars
More" almost directly from them (I think Sanjuro became FaFoD, and Yojimbo
FaFDM) much as "The Magnificent Seven" was a Western version of Seven Samurai.
Of course, TM7 then went on to be imitated itself, "Battle Beyond the Stars"
being but one of the later versions.
Phil
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"Battle Beyond the Stars" being but one of the later versions.
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I thought of that, but, along with a few other unconnected items like
Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared Syn, were just too painful to repeat.
Referred to as 'High Noon at the end of the Universe', the aforementioned
Outland is a MUCH better, and truer, High Noon.
Though there are battle scenes in each that MIGHT be grist for scenario mills,
if you've a stronger stomach than I.
Now, before I totally embarrass myself again, I'll hush up. With any luck, for
days.
From: <devans@uneb.edu>
> In the other direction, watch Seven Samurai, followed by the
It's a triple: Seven Samurai The Magnificent 7
> Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:
FWIW, you could add "Hawk the Slayer" to this list.
The grating part about Battle Beyond the Stars and Hawk the Slayer is how they
lose the key point in Seven Samurai; that none of the heroes have any personal
connection to the place they defend.
and Yojimbo followed by a fistfull of dollars ;-)
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> > > It's a triple:
Don't forget the computer animated Bug's Life.
> and Yojimbo followed by a fistfull of dollars ;-)
Then followed by Warrior and the Sorceress (a bad Keith Caradine fantasy
flick) and Last Man Standing (Bruce Willis)
> devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> In the other direction, watch Seven Samurai, followed by the
For those of you with DVDs, Criterion just released "Hidden Fortress" on DVD.
While I don't have it (yet), the back of the box suggests that there is an
interview with George Lucas, presumably to talk about the Kurosawa influences
in Star Wars. If it's up to Criterion's usual high standard, this will be one
to get...
> At 8:46 AM -0500 7/16/01, Dean Gundberg wrote:
Those damn Japanese, always copying the west....
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> Ryan M Gill wrote:
> At 8:46 AM -0500 7/16/01, Dean Gundberg wrote:
Pot, kettle, black. Look at all of the Hollywood knock-offs of french
cinema: The Birdcage, Three Men and a Baby, The Man with One Red Shoe, Point
of No Return.
I have always wanted to watch Monty Python's Holy Grail followed immediately
by Excalibur.
Excellent choices! Basically anything by Miyazaki Hayao is worth watching...
Kurenai no Buta (red pig), his new Sen to Chiharu no Kamikakushi (story about
the little girl whose parents are turned into pigs), even Mononokehime
(although perhaps not very suitable for kids...).
> Richard and Emily Bell wrote:
> devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> Westerns were big for him; you can certainly see that in Yojimbo and
I was just reading about this. Apparently, the early westerns influenced
Kurosawa into making Yojimbo and The Seven Samurai (which I own on DVD and is
a magnificent purchase!), which then got remade as spaghetti westerns (Fist
full of Dollars, and The Magnificent Seven respectively). It was a circular
influence.
> At 10:38 PM -0400 7/16/01, Richard and Emily Bell wrote:
One would think that with all the brits on the list the immediate grasp of the
sarcasm would be seen and felt.
> I have always wanted to watch Monty Python's Holy Grail followed
Include the Mists of Avalon now too. Though I'm really wanting to see the
Camulud Chronicles on
> Films for when the wife and kids return:
When they get a little older, I highly reccommend the other Miyazaki films.
Kazeno Taneno Nausicaa, Castle in the Sky Laputa, Mononoke Hime, Porcco Rosso
and Lupin.
> Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
This actually scared me as a child.
> Ryan M Gill wrote:
Does anyone know where I could get a copy of Laputa from? A quick scout round
the web retailers seems to indicate that it's long out of production. I don't
mind what format it is, DVD (unlikely I know) or VHS (PAL or NTSC).
Cheers
> At 3:47 PM +0100 7/17/01, Tony Francis wrote:
I expect it will be coming into print again.
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> At 9:52 PM +0100 7/17/01, Bif Smith wrote:
That would be it. Dirigables, flying robots with atomic rays, flapping
personal transport and really neat scenes. I'd like a game based around the
time period.
> At 06:04 PM 7/17/01 -0400, Ryan Gill wrote:
It's Miyazaki. They *all* have some sort of flying machine... Laputa has the
great mucking chunk of land in the sky at the end, though dirigibles do figure
throughout. Kiki has the dirigible at the end (not to mention the whole flying
broomstick thing). Nausicaa... well, okay, no dirigibles, but plenty of odd
flying things.
And the list goes on... I don't think there's a single Miyazaki out there
without something odd that flys in it. Even his Lupin III TV series
episode had something! (A take-off of the Spruce Goose, IIRC.)
> That would be it. Dirigables, flying robots with atomic rays, flapping
> the time period.
Modified Space: 1889?
> At 8:22 PM -0400 7/17/01, Aaron Teske wrote:
Bumblecrows and corvettes and brigs and barges. All wonderful conceptuals.
> And the list goes on... I don't think there's a single Miyazaki out
Its a Dornier DO-X. Not to mention a number of other odd Interwar
years aircraft.
> That would be it. Dirigables, flying robots with atomic rays,
Perhaps. But I think the float wood would be unnecessary.
> Ryan M Gill wrote:
That's the main reason I'd like to see it - looks chock full of
inspiration for Aeronef.
> At 9:02 AM +0100 7/18/01, Tony Francis wrote:
Its a veritable wealth of Interwar years (1920-1930s) technology.
In no particular order there is
An Armoured Train A Boxcab steam locomotive a military airship with medium and
small calibre guns a pirate airship
flying robots (not really inter war years but hey its sci-fi)
Moderate sized military transport aircraft an impressive military coastal
fortification
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> At 10:27 17/07/01 -0400, you wrote:
Caught this film at Cancon one year, a member of the local anime society
was horrified at this. Not that I had seen it while she was yet to, but that I
saw it at a WARGAMING con:)
> Kiki's Delivery Service
> Porcco Rosso and Lupin.
Seen all these and can't recommend them enough, unfortunately I've got the
American dub of Nausicaa (got it years ago), but both Lachlan and Janneke
watch it and SBS (ethnic broadcaster in Australia) TV has screened both Porcco
Rossa and Lupin (though I would not recommend the other Lupin films and TV
series for a younger viewer, great fun though).
> Derek Fulton wrote:
> At 10:27 17/07/01 -0400, you wrote:
My wife first saw it at an anime film fest, after a few hours of the standard
anime fare. Once she realised that no giant robots, demons, vampires, or
> Ryan M Gill wrote:
Now I want to see it even more.....