UFOs of the Reich

6 posts ยท Jun 18 2002 to Jun 20 2002

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:43:57 +0200

Subject: UFOs of the Reich

Hello everybody

For those into fantasy Nazi games, such as Gear-Krieg, some links to
German 'Flying Saucer' projekts: (sorry, text in German, but the pictures are
interesting enough)
http://www.reichsflugscheiben.de/
Some were actual prototypes (of dubious practical value), most just dreams
of designers' or conspiracy theorists' dreams. Plus some post-war allied
follow-ups.

Greetings

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:42 -0700

Subject: Re: UFOs of the Reich

Very interesting. I'll have to run that through a translator. Judging by

some of the visual comparisons, I'd say the author is making valid points
about the Reichs aviation industry pushing the state of the art by a great
deal.

Another excellent site on the same topic is http://www.luft46.com/

They have a lot of computer generated imagery of Luftwaffe prototypes
and drawing board dreams too. Great eyecandy. The He-1078a for example
(http://www.luft46.com/ghart/gh078-1.jpg) could have flown against the
Mig-15. Nobody has a forward swept wing fighter today (except for the
X-29), but the He-162 flew and there was a planned FSW model,
http://www.luft46.com/ghart/gh162d.html.

To drag this remotely on topic, have any of the people who've done WW2
with either SG or DS2 considered including the late-war and prototype
models? The Maus would almost qualify as a modular vehicle compared to a Pz
IV.

> K.H.Ranitzsch wrote:

> Hello everybody

From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>

Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:04:17 +1000

Subject: Re: UFOs of the Reich

From: "Michael Llaneza" <maserati@earthlink.net>

> They have a lot of computer generated imagery of Luftwaffe prototypes

...or more likely a development of the Miles M52.

See http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Level2/Planes/Britain/M52.htm
(which has a link to a video)
and http://www.bigwig.net/museumofberkshireaviation/m52.htm

"In 1942 the Air Ministry and the Ministry of Aviation approached Miles
Aircraft with a top-secret contract for a turbojet research plane
designed to reach supersonic speeds. The Miles M.52 was designed for a speed
of 1000mph at 36,000 feet to be reached in 1.5 minutes."

After the program had been cancelled in January 46, they built some 3/10
scale models, and fitted them with rocket propulsion.

At the second attempt in 1948.. "This was successful and a speed of Mach 1.5
was obtained. But, instead of diving into the sea as planned, the model
ignored radio commands and was last observed (on radar) heading out into the
Atlantic."

I have it on good authority ( my father worked on the project) that
it did not "ignore commands". The commands were for it to self-destruct
by doing a maximum-g manoeuvre (loop combined with roll) to tear the
airframe apart. But the team at Miles had designed this airframe to be STRONG.
It
did the 15+ g manouevre and kept on going in the direction of the US,
whereupon it moved out of radio range.

All the data about the project - wind tunnel results, calculations etc -
had preceeded it two years earlier, when the whole project documentation

From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@a...>

Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:50:18 -0500

Subject: Re: UFOs of the Reich

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:42 -0700, Michael Llaneza
<maserati@earthlink.net> wrote:

> The Maus would almost qualify as a modular vehicle compared to

The Maus would best be considered a "mobile bunker". Or, how about, "air
support magnet"?

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:05:16 -0700

Subject: Re: UFOs of the Reich

You could hit that from a B-17

> Allan Goodall wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:42 -0700, Michael Llaneza

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:46:58 +0200 (CEST)

Subject: Re: UFOs of the Reich

> >>The Maus would almost qualify as a modular vehicle

Michael Llaneza schrieb:
> You could hit that from a B-17

Come on! Even the Maus is not that big!

Greetings