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2 posts · Dec 4 2001 to Dec 4 2001

From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:14:11 +1100

Subject: 敒›佛嵔䜠뛃牨敤

This isn't really OT, you know. OK, so it's military trivia. But incidents in
military history, from Thermopylae to Rourke's Drift, the Cameron to Minden,
provide many good ideas for scenarios in any game, including FT, DSII and SG.

From: "K.H.Ranitzsch" <KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de>

> > Contrast this incident with Gohrde, 16 September 1813, where

> Pardon me being pedantic: There must be a slight confusion here. The
The
> Osprey MAA 192 on Prussian Reserve troops has a quite detailed account

Danke Schön Karl!

This really made me chuckle - my source was a book by Sgt Thomas Morris
of the 2/73rd, and one of the reasons why they were so confident
assaulting a position holding 2 cannon, and uphill, was that they thought at
the time
-
and
Sgt Morris writes - that their opposition were Saxons in French
uniforms, not French Regulars! Thanks for correcting me.

> Anyway, being outnumbered 4-1 certainly didn't help the French

Walmoden's troops were nowhere near the quality of their opposition though.
And the French position was well suited for defence.

The Hanoverians were moderately enthusiastic, but poorly-trained and
worse equipped. The Saxon army of 1813 had lost much of their enthusiasm, but
not
their professionalism - overall, they were probably the best of the
French allies, but they knew the war was lost.

The KGL Hussars were good, but charging an unbroken square like that... they
had all the vices of British Cavalry as well as the virtues.

And as far as I've been able to tell, this was the one occasion when the
famous Rocket Battery (half-battery IIRC) actually operated alone, not
as part of a normal artillery battery, and actually accomplished something.
"The first rocket fired fell into the centre of the square, throwing them into
great confusion." as Morris states. After which the survivors of the KGL
Hussars hit them with Revenge in mind, and took no quarter.

I'm sure there's even more meat for a DSII scenario here than I'd thought. On
one side outnumbered FSE regulars in IC mercenary uniforms, on the other
a large bunch of NAC-equipped local militia with one solitary NAC
regular

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:01:37 +0100 (MET)

Subject: 敒›佛嵔䜠뛃牨敤

Alan and Carmel Brain schrieb:
> > Pardon me being pedantic: There must be a slight

Could still be true. The Osprey lists them as French line regiments, with unit
numbers. Whether the men in the units were actually Francais would need
detailed research.

> > Anyway, being outnumbered 4-1 certainly didn't help the

> I'm sure there's even more meat for a DSII scenario here

Plus ESU and NSL equipment (or at least uniforms, most of the weaponry
was supplied by Britain)- there were Russian Cossacks, Russian-German
legion forces, Prussian Freikorps in that battle.

> with one solitary NAC regular unit and an unreliable Secret Weapon.
The
> referee would have great fun leading both sides astray...

Nothing detailed and reasonably recent, unfortunately. A number of
19th/early 20th century histories in German.

I have been to the battle-site (not far from Hamburg) and it is
overgrown nowadays, not at all like what it looked like in 1813. There
is a diorama in a local museum. It was closed the day I went there :-(

A websearch on " goehrde schlacht " will get you some German sites with
nice pictures/maps, but not much details.

Greetings