From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:14:02 +0100
Subject: SV: Carrier and fighter questions
> Fighter Questions: The target's player determines which of his weapons will fire at which fighter group. Whether or not he knows what type of fighter each group is, well... that depends a lot on the local house rules. > Can a fighter group within range of several frigates target Full Thrust page 15, under "FIGHTER ATTACKS": "All fighters in the Group must engage the SAME target ship." > Obviously each of their targets Why do you send torpedo fighters against ships that can't have any weapons if they carry more than level-1 screens? Torpedoes are capital-killers (...well, capital-hurters, at least...). Attack fighters are escort-killers - and normal fighters work well in this role too :-) > I understand that some people play without the restriction <g> That limitation, fortunately, doesn't really exist for space fighters... Look at the Starfuries in B5, for example - they seem to be "heavy" at least when compared to the Raiders, and they don't have any runway at all. > I don't know what sorts of extra Why? In your game universe, maybe, but not very much so for FT play balance IMO. > As I understand how fighters work, they get half their Cost (with a fast torpedo fighter squadron): 149 points. > A fighter group attacks targets within 6", right? So the Should be 10.5 points - they hit at a roll of '4' or better (50% chance), and do on average 3.5 pts of damage. 6*0.5*3.5 = 10.5. An *DAF reduces this by, on average, 1.17 pts - and most of my destroyers have at least two PDAF, bigger ships have more. An Interceptor squadron (which costs only 40% of the fast torp squadron) would _love_ to fight an enemy like this :-) (It doesn't have to be fast, as long as your ships don't move at too high speeds...) > This is more damage than submunitions do at Why _9_ submunitions, when the fighter group only uses _6_ mass? OTOH, the fighter bay and its squadron costs 50 pts, while the 9 SMPs are only 27 pts. > And unlike submunition equipped ships, Possibly, depending on which arc the Needle beam points into - if it is a side-arc mount, it might be useful. If I had re-loading carriers, I'd sure as hell try to keep them far beyond 9 mu from the enemy ships... since that is pretty much guaranteed to be in range of each and every weapon the enemy has! There aren't any printed re-loading rules, but I've seen several floating around on the 'net. > Fleets would need to seriously up their anti-fighter defenses! _Your_ fleets would need to seriously up their anti-fighter defences, yes. > There is of course the question of whether the Swarms would Launch? Sure. But will the fighters return to re-load? <g> ... > Fighters may get left behind some high speed combats, but Depends which fighter movement sequence you use. If you use the MT one (p.10, fighters move BEFORE ships instead of after) you'll find the fighters toned down quite a lot (especially if you're fighting fast enemy ships). It depends even more on what _speeds_ you use. I often - nay, usually - see escorts flying around at speeds of 40 or higher; speed 20 for capitals isn't unusual. You have to time your launch well to catch them, even with fast fighters. Torpedo fighters are better than others, though, since they don't have to (and don't want to) stay in range for long. > As for how I got on this topic, I was trying to design an Not me. How long does it take to re-arm a figher on a wet-navy carrier? > Does it make a difference what the mass of the Carrier is? Why should it? What matters is the size of the fighter bay, IMO. ... > And on If your house rules allow that, yes. It all depends on how you imagine the cargo hatches. > By having in-the-thick-of-it Carriers to recover and rearm Put it like this: If you use the normal fighter movement rules (ie, fixed top speed for fighters), you won't be able to use the tactics described above very well against me. Even your fast fighters will have severe problems to catch my ships - especially if they launch far away! The exception is, of course, if you attack fixed positions (space stations and similar), which forces me to stand and fight - but if you threaten to do that, I'll go straight for your fleet carriers instead. Yes, straight into the teeth of your fighters... but my ships will fire first, and they have longer range than 15 units :-) > I'd like to point out that in terms of both cost and mass, Only in star system defence. They'd be pretty useless for attacks, since they require tenders. > Swarm II non-ftl version Any ship, as long as you have space enough. > fighter squadron Or Nova Cannon, Railguns or Waveguns... Or missiles, of course <g> Regards,