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> I also picked up from KB Toys a Gundam ship with 5 25mm tall gundams.

I picked up mine some time ago at a 'Toy Liquidators', which is just a sub of
KB. I'm not a Gundam fan, but there are three ships available, the most
appropriate to my eye is the Lili Marlene, a large bulbous item unlike the
open-framed other two, though it's another case of ok in 25mm,
impressive
for 15mm, and kick-a** for 1/300...

> Not sure what scale you're after,

I'd have to suggest we wait his reply on this, along with 'waterline or full
hull? plastic or metal or...?' et. al.

I'd thought of the cheap (<>$10 US) 10inch Gato and Nautilus (Lindburg?) I've
seen locally, the old Boomers pack from Supremacy, two of which I've seen
slapped together for an interesting space ship hull, the rather expensive GHQ
WWII and WWIII, as well as the other Nautilus from Crayola's 20K Leagues under
the Sea, which I swear will someday be my German Venusian Colony Armoured Zepp
(steampunk).

As even more possibilities bubbled to the tangled surface of my mind, I said
'Halt! Wait for Indy!'

The_Beast

> devans@nebraska.edu wrote:

> > Not sure what scale you're after,

Full hull would be probably more preferable; I plan on mounting these on
stands if possible, with the future option of having different height stands
to represent different "levels" of operation under water (more or
less pseudo-3D combat). Plastic, metal, resin - whatever works!  :-)

> I'd thought of the cheap (<>$10 US) 10inch Gato and Nautilus

:-)
Oops for me, I should have been more Pacific (no, no! stop with the
puns!).

Scale. Well, haven't really worked that all out, but am looking for subs
approximately the same size as FT ships. The idea I'm working on is to put
together an underwater scenario for ECC VI, using the AquaZone info as
inspirational reference material:

http://www.quantchem.kuleuven.ac.be/research/fysanal/members/bv/GAMES/AQ
UAZONE/aquap.html

I've been working at refining their system and pulling in more of
the FT/FB stuff for this scenario. The notes are rough, but for me,
legible enough to play out scenarios. All I need are minis to do it
with.  :-)  Hence the request.

(why this particular scenario? I plan on introducing yet another
NAC-breakaway colony - the Hawai`ian Free State - imho a more
realistic "breakaway" NAC group than most of the others; as soon
as I finish the write up for HFS - complete with some proper
pronounciation guidelines for Hawai`ian words - I'll give it to
Jerry for the GZGPedia pages)

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Scale. Well, haven't really worked that all out, but am looking for subs
approximately the same size as FT ships. The idea I'm working on is to put
together an underwater scenario for ECC VI, using the AquaZone info as
inspirational reference material:

http://www.quantchem.kuleuven.ac.be/research/fysanal/members/bv/GAMES/AQ
UAZONE/aquap.html

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Okiefanokie! Scale was probably the wrong term, on further thought. Raw size
is better, and now I've an idea of what you're thinking.

The some of micromachines are still available, and there are similar, if
larger, Hot Wheels items. Also, some 1/72 and 1/48 aircraft ordinance
kits have bombs that can give you the basic teardrop shaped hulls of more
modern
subs, and the fins off of one bomb/rocket might work for a 'sail' on the
'hull' of another bomb/rocket. The question becomes, can you find a
close enough size.

If you want futuristic sub 'fighters', the way the Stingrays are used, some
of the weirder rockets, especially the canard-equiped, might be
exciting.

I noticed that the article's game used fairly large models as escorted
targets. There were several model sets released close to Hunt for Red October,
both licensed and opportunistic. The LA and Akula are relatively small ships,
maybe an inch in diameter for the larger, but the Typhoon is a MONSTER.

Even now, these seem to pop up here and there. Likewise, if you see a full
Space Shuttle kit, the fuel tank is a possibility.

You DO promise to share your FT ideas, right? I noticed the link to the
FT-derived rules has gone doggo...

The_Beast

> devans@nebraska.edu wrote:

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Raw
> size is better, and now I've an idea of what you're thinking.

Ah, finally, someone as twisted as me.  :-)

> The some of micromachines are still available, and there are similar,

I have one Star Wars Calamari Cruiser that is perfect size, but I'm
flexible in what I use. :-)  And being that this *is* supposed to be
futuristic, I think I may now have a use for the Minbari cruiser
micro machines, too...   ;-)

> If you want futuristic sub 'fighters', the way the Stingrays are used,

I was actually toying with using some of my GZG fighters; they would work
pretty well for this role.

> I noticed that the article's game used fairly large models as escorted

:-)

> Even now, these seem to pop up here and there. Likewise, if you see a

Good point.

> You DO promise to share your FT ideas, right? I noticed the link to

I promise. I've gotten most of my ideas all written up, but in a Word doc
right now, and somewhat disorganized (at least *I* know what's
where, but the flow is....disjointed ;-).

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I have one Star Wars Calamari Cruiser that is perfect size, but I'm
flexible in what I use. :-)
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OOooooo, perfect! Very similar to an old Frank Herbert novel cover art.
Dragons of the Sea? Been TOO long; however, I think it was an armed
undersea tug, covertly removing oil from foreign off-coastal deposits.
Suggest a scenerio to you? ;->=

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And being that this *is* supposed to be futuristic, I think I may now have
a use for the Minbari cruiser micro machines, too...   ;-)
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Hmm... Maybe I'm not twisted ENOUGH. They're too like the fish ships that
Stingray used to face. Now, the Narn ships...

Oh, hell, use some GZG FT ships. Especially the smaller, non-winged ESU
and the boxier, medium NSL!

The_Beast

> devans@nebraska.edu wrote:

Yeah. The trick is finding more. :-/

> Very similar to an old Frank Herbert novel cover art.

*grin*

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*chuckle* Wel, maybe the Hawai`ian Free State's subs are going to be more
fish-shaped.
;-)

> Oh, hell, use some GZG FT ships. Especially the smaller, non-winged

I thought about that, too. But most of them (esp the NSL) are too blunt to be
effective submersibles. You need something that is going to slip through the
water quietly, not barge through it like a bull in a china
shop.  ;-)

I'm working on abstract sonar rules, too, btw.  ;-)

Mk