Stormtroopers N tie fighters

8 posts ยท Feb 17 2002 to Feb 19 2002

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:42:42 -0500

Subject: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

It has been said:

Based on the more "realistic" battles in the
X-Wing series I can say that 15 X Wings
can kill a lot of TIE fighters, and a Y-Wing
that wants to waste torpedoes on a flight
of TIEs can knock out 6-8 in a head-on
pass from more than 3km. The Imperials
want at least 2-1 odds against X- and Y-
wings, preferrably 3-1 just to make it
challenging. I could see 90-120 elite TIEs
being involved, and most of those ending
getting smoked. I'll have to look into the X-
Wing Allliance mod scene and see if anyone has tried to do the battle as one
big mission.

[Tomb] Obviously you never played TIE
FIGHTER. You were obviously flying against the reserve squadrons and the
rejects from the Empire's first line formations. In Tie Fighter, it was
admittedly a challenge to
take on an X-Wing with a classic tie fighter
(can you see no shields, Batman?) but some of the advanced TIE FIGHTERS could
stand with any rebel fighter in the game. And as an added plus, if you learned
how to fly in a fighter that couldn't take a good hit, then you could wade
through better fighters quite easily.

[Tomb] A lot of our perception of the
Empire is from seeing some small chunk of them in action against the ultimate
Rebel Leaders. They did fairly well on Hoth, and I think the planet Yavin
would attest to the potence of Imperial Power. If you look at the source
material for WEG and from most of the novels (argh!), you discover that the
Empire is large and has very potent military forces. Or so we keep getting
told. If it isn't actually true (and some game rules might make one think it
was not), then the Empire has one incredibly potent asset: Great PR. If their
guys get slaughtered in racks, and they still keep adverts going that say a
Stormtrooper is the Best of the Best and keep getting recruits, that pretty
much says it all.

[Tomb] One last thought before you dump
too much on Tie Fighter pilots. If you consider the three sanctioned Han Solo
books by Brian Daley (the earliest, pretty much, of the SW novels, long ago)
to be canon, then Han went to Imperial Academy
and was an interceptor/fighter pilot. So
apparently they have had a few excellent pilots from time to time.

[Tomb] One last thought: If anyone hasn't
hunted up the internet movie Troops, you really have to. It's a cross between
COPS and SW. It shows a day in the life of Imperial Law Enforcement
(Stormtroopers) on a little place called Tatooine. And it puts
a WHOLE other spin on the Beru/Owen
Lars crime scene. Oh, and it is _really_ well
done for something not done by Lucas Himself.

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:48:54 +0100

Subject: Re: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

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From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:08:07 +1100

Subject: Re: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

> At 03:42 17/02/02 -0500, Tom wrote:

So I'm dyslexic:)

Cheers

From: Ray Forsythe <erf2@g...>

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:05:03 -0500

Subject: Re: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/troops/

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:23:40 -0800

Subject: Re: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

Good point about TIE Fighter Tomb, and if we'd seen any advanced models
besides Vader's protoype model  I'd have mentioned them :-)

But eveyone needs to see Troops. I showed it to an ex-Air Force MP and
she almost had an asthma atatck what with the laughing and the hilarity and
the help me, I can't breathe right. [1]

[1] Having a Prof. Frink moment.

> Thomas Barclay wrote:

> It has been said:

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:33:15 -0800

Subject: Re: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

I found one!

http://abolisher.xwlegacy.net/yavin.htm

They're looking to recreate the Battle of Yavin as best they can determine
from the movie. Woohooo. When they get their setup down I'll see about
stealing it for a Star Warriors scenario

The Death Star missions in X-Wing were pretty mediocre, but the Endor
campaign in Alliance was top notch.

> Thomas Barclay wrote:

> It has been said:

From: Adam Benedict Canning <dahak@d...>

Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:15:26 -0000

Subject: RE: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:42:42 -0500

> It has been said:

X wing books base thier combats on the X-Wing computer game, all the
way up to the SSD kill.

If you've played it you know theres no real reason for large warships at all.

> [Tomb] Obviously you never played TIE

Same game engine different stats. Both were tailored for player enjoyment.

> [Tomb] One last thought before you dump

So was Wedge and a number of other Rogue Squadron personnel.

> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:23:40 -0800

From: Eric Foley <stiltman@t...>

Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:08:45 -0800

Subject: Re: Stormtroopers N tie fighters

Well, let's not forget while we're sitting here painting TIE fighters as being
completely useless based on gaming versions of them, that we do have the
evidence of the actual movie. Perhaps the TIE fighters supposedly
couldn't take a hit, but according to the movies, the X- and Y-Wings
were no great bulwarks of resilience either.

In ANH, during the entire Death Star sequence, each direct hit to the fuselage
of a Rebel fighter is fatal. The only two Rebel fighters that were hit in any
fashion in the sequence that did not immediately suffer a catastrophic fate
were the ones belonging to Luke, Wedge, and Red Leader, and the hit to Red
Leader merely sent him to a catastrophic fate that was less than completely
immediate (crashing into the Death Star surface). All of these latter three
were struck in the wings, fuselage, or in Luke's case, his astrodroid.

ROTJ bears this out in the second Death Star sequence as well... again, when
Rebel fighters suffer direct hits, even from short bursts from TIE fighter
fire, they die.

So I'd tend to dismiss the "evidence" from RPGs and video games. The movies
just don't bear out that the Rebel fighters are that good at taking a hit.

E (aka Stilt Man)

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