This is what I came up with after some discussion on the list.
NB. This is intended for use in a SW universe. In reality someone with
automatic weapons would toast a bunch of stormtroopers.
Blaster Rifles
Full Strength: 8 troopers
Armour : d10
Mobility : 6" (2d6 combat)
Sensors : enhanced (d8)
FP: 2
Impact : d10
Assault (Blaster Pistols)
Full Strength: 8 troopers
Armour : d10
Mobility : 6" (2d6 combat)
Sensors : enhanced (d8)
FP: 1
Impact : d8
First range bracket only, +1 die type for close combat weapon.
Quality: average-elite
Leader : 2-3
All,
Thanks for the thoughts and stats. I would like to see how the Storm
Troopers would do against normal rebel troops, against elite-extreme
luck-force using-specials they do rather poorly.
Magic
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> On 8-Feb-02 at 06:01, Bob Makowsky (rmakowsky@yahoo.com) wrote:
Just FYI, here is what I have been using for rebels.
Rebel Assault Squad
Full Strength: 4
Armour : d6
Mobility : 6"(2d6")
Sensors : enhanced (d8)
Firepower: 1
Impact : d8
Blaster Pistols only fire in closest range bracket. +1 die
shift for close assault.
Rebel Blaster-Rifle squad
Full Strength: 4
Armour : d6
Mobility : 6"(2d6")
Sensors : enhanced (d8)
Firepower: 2
Impact :d10
Quality: Poor-Elite, Leadership 1-2.
My logic behind the leadership is the main thing that keeps the rebels going
is high quality leaders. The stormtroopers get lower qualilty leadership
because initiative is discouraged.
There was a discussion on list about the squad size. I'm trying to model
initiative and flexibility on the part of the rebels.
In a standup fight the rebels will lose. In the scenario I setup the rebels
have leadership, flexibility, and they start in nasty terrain.
The stormtroopers have numbers and equipment.
> Roger Books wrote:
> This is what I came up with after some discussion on the list.
Based on what we see of stormtrooper operations in the episodes four,
> Richard Bell wrote:
> Based on what we see of stormtrooper operations in the episodes four,
Hmmmm... loveability as a force multiplier.....
2B^2
> Brian Bilderback wrote:
simply
> >die in pathetic and futile efforts at resistance.
"Flesh Armor" in GURPS -- the more skin you show, the
better protected you are. Very important in cinematic settings.
> Robert A Crawford Wrote:
> Brian Bilderback wrote:
simply
> > >die in pathetic and futile efforts at resistance.
This would also apply to "Big Brown Bunny Eyes" shields, yes? ;-)
2B^2
> --- Robert A Crawford <crawford@kloognome.com> wrote:
the rest of red and gold squadrons,
...
> > >die in pathetic and futile efforts at
The Red and Gold squadrons performed a holding action against 100 to 700 tie
fighters, only 6 ties managed to breakthrough the screen.
Bye for now,
> John Leary wrote:
> The Red and Gold squadrons performed a holding action
That's because X-wings generate a tremendous Heroic Martyrdom Field
(Also known as a Thermopylae Zone) which causes massive damage to any object
emitting Villanous Waves, although it usually destroys the object emittinh the
field as well.
2B^2
<sniP>
> "Flesh Armor" in GURPS -- the more skin you show, the
Britney Spears, super warrior? Xena might have something to say about
this...
Gracias,
> John Leary wrote:
> --- Robert A Crawford <crawford@kloognome.com> wrote:
Star Wars: A New Hope does not give any indication that there are that
many tie fighters. Given that the tie-fighters enjoy full 3D freedom of
movement, it is really hard to keep them from going where they please without
comparable numbers. Fighters cannot hold space, or even deny space, they can
only intercept. I think that if two rebel squadrons
could hold off that many tie-fighters, we would have been treated to
combat scenes much like those seen in Battlestar Galactica (the cylons had
great numbers of poorly piloted craft).
If I was commanding a wing of tie-fighters that outnumbered the rebels
3-1, and they were trying to screen something, I would detail two thirds
of my force to drive away the screen and use the remaining third to blow away
the protected units.
Not being a fighter pilot, I am not an expert, but I suspect that the only way
that Luke could be screened by his fellow pilots would be if
On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:22:15 -0500 Richard and Emily Bell
> <rlbell@sympatico.ca> writes:
Well, as an aside, according to the Star Wars Death Star Technical Companion
(for whatever that's worth), most TIEs didn't launch because Tarkin said no;
only Vader and his personal, elite, squadron launched.
'Course, that may just be WEG's way of explaining why there weren't more
fighters either.
Best,
Well, we did see a lot of head on passes in the movie. But we never see the
whole battle or know exactly how many TIEs were launched; but I am pretty sure
it's 30 rebels (90% casualties). LucasArts did put the
situation into X-Wing, but it's a hack job and focuses more on the
trench itself than trying to portray the dogfighting in any real way.
Based on the more "realistic" battles in the X-Wing series I can say
that 15 X Wings can kill a lot of TIE fighters, and a Y-Wing that wants
to waste torpedoes on a flight of TIEs can knock out 6-8 in a head-on
pass from more than 3km. The Imperials want at least 2-1 odds against X-
and Y- wings, preferrably 3-1 just to make it challenging. I could see
90-120 elite TIEs being involved, and most of those ending getting
smoked. I'll have to look into the X-Wing Allliance mod scene and see if
anyone has tried to do the battle as one big mission.
> Richard and Emily Bell wrote:
> John Leary wrote:
I've seen that supplement as well, and WEG's explanation is about the only one
that really makes sense. Tarkin, in the movie, clearly did not believe that
the Rebels had any serious prayer of destroying the station. Vader, obviously,
reasoned that the Rebels wouldn't be bothering with a fighter attack rather
than a general evacuation of their base unless they thought they had an idea
for attacking the station in that fashion that would work. Given that Vader
was most painfully aware that the Rebels had a complete blueprint of every
facet of the station (since he'd been spending most of the movie to that point
failing to recover it), he obviously had good reason to know that if the
Rebels believed they could destroy the station by that means, they were most
probably correct in that belief.
In George Lucas' own novelization of the movie, he goes into a little more
detail about how Leia arrived at the conclusion, expressed but not explained
in the movie itself, that the Death Star commanders let them go when they
escaped in the Millenium Falcon: they only sent four TIE fighters after them.
In Leia's own words in that novel, "They could just as easily have sent a
hundred." If sending four or a hundred fighters is all the same to the Death
Star commanders, it bears out, to a great degree, the WEG spec that said that
the Death Star possessed literally THOUSANDS of TIE fighters. And it stands to
strong reason that no amount of plot device can explain how thirty fighters
can successfully make their way through thousands of defenders... IF those
thousands of defenders have, in fact, been deployed to stop them.
So yeah... I tend to believe WEG's postulation that Tarkin simply ignored the
fighter attack out of overconfidence, and that if he had taken it seriously
enough to really use the station's resources to stop them, he could've done so
quite easily. He willfully refused to do so, or to take any other real
precautions, even when the aide walks up to him at some point during the final
sequence, informs him that they have analyzed the Rebels' attack and
determined that there is, in fact, a danger, and asks him if they should have
his ship standing by to get him off the station in case the worst should
occur. The movie bears out quite clearly that Tarkin simply didn't take the
Rebel attack seriously. The movie goes so far as to show him just seconds
before his doom, calmly watching a viewscreen expecting the
Rebel moon to go bye-bye any moment, and in the very next clip, the
station explodes. Most probably, Tarkin never knew what hit him.
So yeah... when WEG's supplement postulates that Vader's own squadron was the
only part of the Death Star's fighter complement that actually was deployed to
stop the Rebels, I tend to believe that this is most or all of the actual
case.
E (aka Stilt Man)
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> --- Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@hotmail.com> wrote:
...
Good one, I love it!
Bye for now,
--- Richard and Emily Bell <rlbell@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Star Wars: A New Hope does not give any indication
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Most Starwars sources rate the Deathstar at 700 ties. If we use FTFB and
device the 700 into the six areas with 100 in reserve, the 24 rebel fighters
would be outnumbered 4 to 1, a very manageable number for superior pilots in
superior craft.
> Given that the tie-fighters enjoy full 3D freedom of
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The Deathstar is a hard reality that ties cannot ignore. Ties have a history
of running into anything that they get reasonably close to!
> Fighters cannot hold space, or even deny space, they
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The story is of Luke and his exploits, the other rebel pilots are not
necessary to the story line, except that they are able to hold off the ties
until Like does his thing.
> If I was commanding a wing of tie-fighters that
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Innovative thought was not really rewarded in the
Empire. You would have been given orders, you
would carry them out or die!
This is corroborated by
> the rebel radio
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> Eric Foley wrote:
> In George Lucas' own novelization of the movie, he goes into a little
I think the strongest clue that the Death Star was destroyed by extreme
overconfidence (or gross dereliction of duty), is that if they did have
hundreds of fighters, why was there no combat space patrol to intercept the
rebels before
Depends on how tight the leather is....
2B^2
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de (K.H.Ranitzsch)
> I guess black leather counts as skin for the above purpose - see Barb