As the rules read if you wish to use the NAC phalanx as a support vehicle you
leave the leader and a squaddie in it and detach the rest. Same for
hoplite & FSE AGCI-5B, but not so for NSL (Can the vehicle leader take
control of the squad if their leader becomes interested in realestate?)
Whats the concensous on ESU vehicles? size 3-4
armour 3-4
wheels/tracks
Jon(T.C.)
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Well you are playing it by the suggested organisation.
Although that sounds more in line with Mech Inf who have the APC as an
integral part of the squad. One of the squad/section is the Crew
Commander (in OZ generally the sect 2IC) and the vehicle acts as part of the
squad.
> From my experience, when troops 'debus' they generally stay relatively
Which makes you wonder about the NSL Panzergrenadiers. They by rights should
NOT be allowed the freedom of movement of the vehicles as the APC should be
integral to the squad. And with the NAC, the APCs should have
their own separate command chain with, say, the APC Section/Squad Leader
in the vehicle that carries the Marine Platoon Commander.
> ----------
> As the rules read if you wish to use the NAC phalanx as a support
Why do you say that? Is it because the LKPzW VI is the only vehicle that
specifically says that the crew are not part of the squad?
I'd always assumed that the Phalanx and Wombat crews were likewise not part of
the squads. I looked at the stats, saw "Crew: 2" and "Troop Spaces: 16 (or 8)"
and assumed that the crew were separate.
> (Can the vehicle leader take control of the squad if their leader
No. The vehicle leader is not a part of the squad.
> Whats the concensous on ESU vehicles? size 3-4
No idea. Are there any APCs in the GZG range that haven't been allocated yet?
> Steve in reply, you wrote:
Yes,but is it then 16 troop spaces including or excluding the crew positions?
(I would tend to think it the latter on the basis of the NSL LKPzW VI, which I
thought was to counter balance the smaller squad)
> (Can the vehicle leader take control of the squad if their leader
So,athough it has its own quality die for actions,its not recognised as a
command capable?
> Whats the concensous on ESU vehicles? size 3-4
There is a nice 8 wheeler APC in the DS II range that _I Want_ in 15mm!
I think it should be size 3, Armour 3 and wheeled, crew ports for 1/2
firepower from the inside to either side but with limited support weapons.
We could claim that for the ESU!
In the end though I buy the figures/vehicles that I like so if my FCT
end up
with a AGCI-5B cos its the only one in 15mm thats done, or I prefer who
cares about allocation! I am however wanting guidelines for OOB's to take a
basis from.
Jon(T.C.)
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> Sprayform wrote:
Excluding. The rules clearly state on page 32 that "Vehicle CREWS... do NOT
cost capacity points"
the LKPzW VI just has two extra capacity points when it's transporting an
ordinary Panzergrendier squad. Perhaps the line infantry of the NSL (the ones
without full body armour) are organised in eight man squads?
> >> (Can the vehicle leader take control of the squad if their
Well, as someone else pointed out, the APCs should really be organised into
their own command structure with their own leader.
I meant that the Vehicle commander can't just take over as if he was the
deputy squad leader. He can act as any other NCO figure would in that
situation. Do the rules allow the squad leader of one squad to take over
another squad when it loses its squad leader? I can't remember and a quick
flick through the book doesn't help.
In the end it depends on your OOB. If the vehicle crew is part of the squad
then the APC commander will probably be the deputy squad leader anyway if
current practice is continued. If the APCs form their own unit, then I doubt
the APC commander could get the squad to do anything other than jump in the
APC and leg it. It all depends on how good your force is at communicating
orders sideways through the chain of command as well as up and down it.