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Saw Starship Troopers yesterday (preview showing). Here goes:
The first 40 minutes is BADLY acted Beverly hills 90210 (not that there ever
was a well acted version) In fact the main characters have the WORST script
around combined with a complete inability to act.The only two decent actors in
the whole damn thing are Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown. The effects,
however are absolutely beyond belief. This is DSII. The actors really took
away from the movie to such an
extent that I can only give it a C+/B-. The actual combat stuff is
absolutely perfect. The bug plasma batteries burning the Rodger Young in half
(you can see all the decks on fire, etc) was incredible.
They didn't even include my favorite line from the book.
"BUGS MR.RICO!!! ZILLIONS OF 'EM!!!"
Ah well....All sci-fi gamers should see it.
> Mike Wikan wrote:
Status: RO
> Ah well....All sci-fi gamers should see it.
I got a free movie pass from a local comic book shop. I'll see it tommorow
night.
> On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:15:26 -0600, "Mark A. Siefert" writes:
Status: RO
> Ah well....All sci-fi gamers should see it.
Well, A number of us in the Boulder, CO area are planning an outing on
saterday. I guess anyone on the list in the area that wants to come allong is
welcome.:)
Status: RO
Mike - did you have to go ruin it for some of us who haven't been as
fortunate to see it yet? ;-)
Gil
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On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:27:58 +0000, "Mike Wikan" <mww@n-space.com>
wrote:
Status: RO
> Saw Starship Troopers yesterday (preview showing).
A friend of mine does movie reviews for CBC radio. He HAS to see it, so we're
seeing it on Friday.
> Mike Wikan wrote:
Status: RO
> >Saw Starship Troopers yesterday (preview showing).
I saw it.....Spoilers below...
I WANT TO SEE EVERY COPY OF THIS MOVIE BURNED AND ALL OF CAST (excluding
Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown) AND CREW SHOT, HUNG, DRAWN AND QUARTERED,
AND SPACED! ROBERT HEINLEIN IS ROLLING IN HIS
GRAVE!!!!!!
There, now that I got that off my chest.
Major nitpicks: 1. How are the bugs capable of hurling asteroids from one side
of the galaxy to another in such short a time? They obviously don't have any
starships or plot device drive. 2. BTW, why do I have the feeling that the
asteroid that hit Buenos Aries should have done a lot more damage than it did.
All that happened was a South American city got flattened. I real life... does
anyone remember what happened to the dinosaurs. I got the feeling that they
were try to combine "Starship Troopers" with "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."
They failed miserably. 3. Rasczak wasn't Rico's teacher. Mr.Dubious was. 4.
OK, not only do men and women fight with one another (which I don't have a
problem with as long as the women can met the physical demands that combat
calls for), but they also share the same barracks and SHOWER TOGETHER. Someone
told me that they were trying to say that sexual mores have changed in
future... what I really think that the writers were doing was a lame attempt
to throw on some tits and ass. (Pardon the vulgarity.) It comes to no surprise
that the director of this horror also directed the equal poor "Showgirls." 5.
It surprises me that the bugs are able to evolve into such useful creatures,
warrior bugs, huge heavily armored bugs that spit acid, flying bugs that have
an uncanny knack for cutting of people's heads, bugs that can shot down
starships from orbit with a plasma fart, bugs that suck out peoples brains to
learn what they know... OH COME ON. Evolution just isn't this lucky. 6. For
all of you who are still upset with the fact that the movie leaves out powered
armor, rumor has it they are planning to include it in a sequel.
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!! 7. So Doogie Howser (or Col. Dolittle as
I call him) can talk to the bugs. Maybe he can ask them what poscessed anyone
to make this movie. 8. From what I gathered, Rico wasn't a blond haired, blue
eyed white kid in the book, no? Well I got to go. I'm going to finish the
novel just to flush this movie out of my system. I plan on sending this to the
Phil Farland's Nitpickers Central page (edited, of course). I won't be too
surprised if there was something up already.
Mark: quite beating around the bush and tell us how you REALY feel Status: RO
about the movie.......
;)
Randy "Creative Financing is the key to any venture. Right John?" R. Hood
(Ret.)
Subject: Re: Re: Bio-Forces
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:16:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan M. Gill" <monty@arcadia.turner.com>
Reply-To: FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
To: FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
> On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Brian Burger wrote:
> (That's another thing wrong w/ ST the movie...the bugs are straight
Sgt Jelal grabbed a brain as I recall. The Queens get killed by the warriors
before they can ever get captured. There weren't any flyers in the book
either. The book never said much about the weapons or tools the bugs used.
They did speak of the "Bug" Highway that had traffic moving at around 100
kliks an hour (or was it 100 mph...?). Can't imagine what a bug bus would look
like...
They did have lots of legs and skittered quite nicely. Just with an upright
posture.
> On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Mark A. Siefert wrote:
> Mike Wikan wrote:
Wow, you aren't mad or something, are you?:)
> There, now that I got that off my chest.
"Harsh Mistress" is my all-time favorite RAH novel, how dare they steal
stuff from it...
> 3. Rasczak wasn't Rico's teacher. Mr. Dubious was.
Check the various threads on the limits of bio-freakishness that have
been running on this list...general concensus seems to be that any
'plasma-farting' biological entity is impossible...and you're right, the
movie's writers/producers do seem to have a rather odd view of
evolution..maybe they're actually creationists?:)
> 6. For all of you who are still upset with the fact that
another one? I'd rather be attacked by a plasma-farting bug...
> 7. So Doogie Howser (or Col. Dolittle as I call him) can talk
If Beunos Aires (sp) is Rico's hometown, the odds are against him being a
nice blond Aryan uber-hero...but everyone knows that ALL heros are
blond-haired, blue-eyed all-American twits, right??? (Sorry, don't mean
to offend the American list members..it's not you, just Hollywood...)
I think the book mentioned Tagalog as Rico's home-language, another blow
for the case of him as uber-hero...
> Well I got to go. I'm going to finish the novel just to flush
Later,
Brian (burger00@camosun.bc.ca)
> Later,
> 8. From what I gathered, Rico wasn't a blond haired, blue eyed
HEY! I resemble...well, okay, one out of three traits, anyway. I'm
blond...
8-)
Mk
In a message dated 97-11-06 15:21:05 EST, you write:
<< > 8. From what I gathered, Rico wasn't a blond haired, blue eyed white
> kid in the book, no?
If Beunos Aires (sp) is Rico's hometown, the odds are against him being a
nice blond Aryan uber-hero...but everyone knows that ALL heros are
blond-haired, blue-eyed all-American twits, right??? (Sorry, don't mean
to offend the American list members..it's not you, just Hollywood...)
I think the book mentioned Tagalog as Rico's home-language, another
blow
for the case of him as uber-hero...
> [quoted text omitted]
Please correct:::>
Rico was a Phillipino => Tagalog is a indiginous language of the Phillipines.
He also mentions Aguinaldo (mind my spelling) as home town hero =>Aguinaldo,
Emilio 1869 - 1964 Rebelled against the Spanish in the Phillipines then
allied with the Yanks in the Spanish American war, then fought the Yanks when
they didn't go home 1899-1901. Noted freedom fighter.
The Bugs Nuked Buenos Aires (when his mother was visiting there I believe.) It
was not his home town.
I believe I have this correct even if I haven't read this in 25 years but I
did read this book about twenty times though.
> In message <87FC6134812E4AD2@xenotech.com> Kevin Pavlick writes:
Some chance. Expect pissing and moaning on every sci-fi oriented
net forum for the duration.
I'm guessing Starship Troopers holds a place in the collective
heart of sci-fi fans because so many people read it when they were
children.
Heinlein was a children's author. I wish I'd read ST when I was
12, or so, rather than being twenty-something. It would have been
great to stomp about for a week or two with a new found sense of Moral
Philosophy recieved unquestioned from Uncle Bob. It would have suited me
really well, since at that age I was a hardcore
Marxist-Leninist. Seriously. Disenfranchise all who will not serve
the state in heroic strife and toil. I'd have loved it.
...
Why are people bitching about tits and ass in the film? I read loads of
Heinlein when I was young enough not to find it insulting and I recall
striking theme of gratuitous nudity. Maybe Bob was in
the same hot-tubs as Allan.
That's what I remember most of RAH. Ludicrous over-educated
heroes, gratuitous nudity and gratuitous incest. And swordfighting. Couldn't
he have just seen a psychiatrist? Did he have to write it down?
...
Blond hair? Blue eyes?... didn't I read that the director's next project was a
revisionist Hitler biopic?
In a message dated 97-11-07 20:14:06 EST, you write:
<< Some chance. Expect pissing and moaning on every sci-fi oriented
net forum for the duration.
I'm guessing Starship Troopers holds a place in the collective
heart of sci-fi fans because so many people read it when they were
children.
Heinlein was a children's author. I wish I'd read ST when I was
12, or so, rather than being twenty-something. It would have been
great to stomp about for a week or two with a new found sense of Moral
Philosophy recieved unquestioned from Uncle Bob. It would have suited me
really well, since at that age I was a hardcore
Marxist-Leninist. Seriously. Disenfranchise all who will not serve
the state in heroic strife and toil. I'd have loved it.
....
Why are people bitching about tits and ass in the film? I read loads of
Heinlein when I was young enough not to find it insulting and I recall
striking theme of gratuitous nudity. Maybe Bob was in
the same hot-tubs as Allan.
That's what I remember most of RAH. Ludicrous over-educated
heroes, gratuitous nudity and gratuitous incest. And swordfighting. Couldn't
he have just seen a psychiatrist? Did he have to write it down?
....
Blond hair? Blue eyes?... didn't I read that the director's next project was a
revisionist Hitler biopic?
> Mark A. Siefert wrote:
> 3. Rasczak wasn't Rico's teacher. Mr. Dubious was.
Dubois, I believe. Long time since I've read it. Also, Mr D was PC inasmuch as
he was disabled, if memory serves. Otherwise, decidedly not. Do they have Sgt
Zim?
> 8. From what I gathered, Rico wasn't a blond haired, blue
Course he was, just like all Phillipinos whose major language is Tagalog
rather than English. Rico is such a nice Nordic name, too.
> Well I got to go. I'm going to finish the novel just to flush
This is a Movie I mustn't miss!
In fact, I won't miss it one little bit.
In a message dated 97-11-06 15:21:05 EST, you write:
<< > 8. From what I gathered, Rico wasn't a blond haired, blue eyed white
> kid in the book, no?
If Beunos Aires (sp) is Rico's hometown, the odds are against him being a
nice blond Aryan uber-hero...but everyone knows that ALL heros are
blond-haired, blue-eyed all-American twits, right??? (Sorry, don't mean
to offend the American list members..it's not you, just Hollywood...)
I think the book mentioned Tagalog as Rico's home-language, another
blow
for the case of him as uber-hero...
> [quoted text omitted]
Please correct:::>
Rico was a Phillipino => Tagalog is a indiginous language of the Phillipines.
He also mentions Aguinaldo (mind my spelling) as home town hero =>Aguinaldo,
Emilio 1869 - 1964 Rebelled against the Spanish in the Phillipines then
allied with the Yanks in the Spanish American war, then fought the Yanks when
they didn't go home 1899-1901. Noted freedom fighter.
The Bugs Nuked Buenos Aires (when his mother was visiting there I believe.) It
was not his home town.
I believe I have this correct even if I haven't read this in 25 years but I
did read this book about twenty times though.
On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:33:28 -0600, "Mark A. Siefert"
> <cthulhu@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
I'd thought I'd comment on some of Mark's nitpicks.
> Major nitpicks:
Real good question.
> 2. BTW, why do I have the feeling that the asteroid that hit
Point taken, but I'll forgive them this as they tended not to concentrate too
much on what happened on the Earth. It would have just gotten in the way of
the story.
> 3. Rasczak wasn't Rico's teacher. Mr. Dubious was.
The character was a composite. Movies do this all the time.
> 4. OK, not only do men and women fight with one another (which
Actually, I didn't find this at all to be a lame attempt at T&A. You actually
see more of the men than the women. My friend Lorna liked this scene. She
thought it was refreshing to see a movie where men and women naked together
weren't necessarily involved in anything sexual. Apparently this happened all
the time in the USSR during the war, when men and women fought side by side.
Lorna also told us about a sign that was posted in one of the co-ed
barracks. It was just after the US and USSR linked up at the end of the war.
It was obvious that the person who posted it didn't expect any Americans to be
able to read it. It said something like, "Please do not have sex while the
Americans are around."
> 5. It surprises me that the bugs are able to evolve into such
I didn't get the feeling that this was evolution. I got the feeling that the
Brain bugs were capable of biogenetic creations, and that the various bugs
were constructs. Of course most biologists believe that giant bugs are
impossible anyway. The inverse square law plays hell with exoskeletons. In
this, Heinlein was just as guilty.
> At 6:20 PM +0000 11/6/97, campbelr@dns.kunsan.af.mil wrote:
I can summarize the movie very easily:
GAMES WORKSHOP
The Movie
or the simplest review possible: see it as a matinee in a good theatre. I
can't recommend this for full price, but you MUST see this on as large a
screen as possible and with THX sound.
and a bit of spoiler space for some more detailed comments
just think of it as Tyranids vs. Imperial Guard and you have the movie. I
wouldn't be at all surprised if some former Studio people from GW worked on
the film.
If it were acually Space Marines, they have had the powered armor. And
grenades. Come to think of it, almost everybody uses grenades more than they
did in the movie. I mean seriously folks, when the bugs are climbing over the
walls on the backs of their own dead, you have an
excellent grenade opportunity. The over-under rifle grenades, and hand
grenades were each used, but only once if I recall correctly.
Anyway, it's a comic book. But what the heck, I liked Judge Dredd too. I'll
probably see this in the theatres again. Do see it, but don't expect it to be
on par with Babylon 5, more like Voyager. And anyone who plays 40K or Space
Marine is obligated to see it.