Hi, I don't want to start a major war here, but I'd like to suggest that DSII
& Stargrunt get split off into their own mailing list. I suggest this for the
following reasons:
1) I don't play Full Thrust, so I'm overwhelmed by the constant barrage of FT
mails that come through the list. It seems that about every 5 minutes I'm
having to delete another FT mail. It's gotten to the point that I'm
considering dropping off the list since there is so little DSII discussion.
2) A DSII/Stargrunt mailing list might encourage more discussion. Every
morning, I come into work & have about 50 messages that I have to scan the
subjects of & delete. I frequently miss the DSII messages because they are
lost in the mass of FT messages. Only when I'm looking in my deleted messages
folder something else, do I catch what I've missed. By having a
DSII/Stargrunt mailing list, these messages won't be lost amongst the FT
messages.
3) A DSII/Stargrunt list could possible decrease internet traffic. I'm
assuming there are other list members out there like me that don't play FT. If
another list was created, they could be dropped off the FT list & the large
number of FT messages wouldn't have to be sent to them. (OK, I know I'm really
reaching for this one.)
So, what do people think about starting a seperate DSII/Stargrunt list?
Thanks for listening,
> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Hedglin, Nils A wrote:
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> So, what do people think about starting a seperate DSII/Stargrunt
Hear!
I DON'T need the FT mail...
> Nils writes:
> I don't want to start a major war here, but I'd like to suggest that
I believe this has been suggested before in the distant past. Although back
then DSII/SGII discussion wasn't nearly as prevalent as it is now.
> 1) I don't play Full Thrust, so I'm overwhelmed by the constant barrage
Funny, I have the opposite perception on this - unless, of course, those
numerous SGII/DSII msgs that have been coming through have devolved into
FT discussions and no one's changed the subject line! I only play
DSII/SGII
on occassion, so haven't been reading the related mails much.
> 2) A DSII/Stargrunt mailing list might encourage more discussion.
Every
> morning, I come into work & have about 50 messages that I have to scan
Again, I seem to have the opposite perception on this. Although overall I
really think the traffic is about half and half (or, probably more exactly,
1/3 FT, 1/3 DSII/SGII, and 1/3 OT ;)
I don't know what mailer you use, but if it has the capabilities of selecting
out mail by subject line (or partial subject line), you could easily use that
in parsing out what you do and do not want to read (my mailer allows me to do
a 'dir/subj=[some portion of the subject line]' and it makes life easier
in deciding what to read and not read.
> 3) A DSII/Stargrunt list could possible decrease internet traffic. I'm
I know there are other list members out there who don't play FT; that
much, at least, isn't a stretch. :-)
> So, what do people think about starting a seperate DSII/Stargrunt list?
I dunno. I do read the odd DSII/SGII msg/thread, and I think maintaining
2 seperate lists would be more trouble than not; a lot of people here I think
delve in both sides of life and you might get a lot of
cross-postings
between the two as some find new connections between FT and DSII/SGII
(well, okay, maybe not a lot, but some). Also, this way if you need to remove
your-
self from a mailing list, you only have to do it once. If there were two and
you wanted to be on both, you'd have to remove yourself twice and sign back up
twice if the situation warrented. And if there were problems with the list
server (let's assume for sake of arguement they are both hosted at the same
site), then there will be generated twice the amount of "hey, is the
list down?" traffic - which if it is Jon will get it back up again as
soon as he is back from where ever he has gone (eg, weekends), and if you
haven't gotten anything by, say, midweek, you should have resources available
to track down SOMEbody's email addr on here (if you don't already know some)
and ask
them if they've been getting anything lately. But I digress. :-}
Mk
> 1) I don't play Full Thrust, so I'm overwhelmed by the
Conversly if you are more interested in FT the DS2 SG2 mails
seems the greater - I think this is subjective, id est
it depends on which game(s) interest you whether the
non interesting posts out-number the non interesting ones.
> 2) A DSII/Stargrunt mailing list might encourage more
The message tag idea has helped this sorting of the list I think its a lot
better then it was. A big stick needs to be applied every now and then to keep
people on subject and subject lines meaningful.
> 3) A DSII/Stargrunt list could possible decrease internet traffic. I'm
So where does all the generic stuff go, both lists? major admin headache for
the poster.
> So, what do people think about starting a seperate DSII/Stargrunt list?
I vote No. Just keep to the rules on this list, use the tags and keep the OT
stuff to a minimum (as of a quick count now 60% of messages are OT)
We've tried using on-line bulletin boards, but it seems people
much prefer THIS mailing list (warts and all).
Funny thing, I was thinking the same same thing about all the
DSII/Stargrunt
mail I get. I guess it just a mater of perspective. I do think that there is
enough traffic on both topics to warrant two lists.
I vote no. besides the vast majority of traffic in teh past week or two
has been SG/DS or background oriented. Heck I have a friend complaining
that there's not enough FT action on the list so I sent him a zillion old
posts to tide him over.
> At 08:00 29/09/98 -0700, you wrote:
While I play more FT I am interested in DS2 and SG2. It strikes me that a lot
of people would sign up to both lists. The traffic on the list in the last 5
months seems to have increased enormously so it may be a useful way of cutting
down on this. Although the simple fact is that you can sort your mail by topic
and ignore the irrelevant stuff. Also who would be willing to run the second
list? Jon White seems busy enough monitoring this list and sorting out our
problems with mail servers etc.
> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Magnus Alexandersson wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Hedglin, Nils A wrote:
NO. Besides, haven't we just had this discussion a couple of months ago?
Reasons NOT to split the list:
1. Background discussions - the GZG 'offical' universe, or any other,
including historical discussions - these usually slide back and forth
between DS/SG & FT focus, or neither. So which list gets the background
stuff?
2. Personally, I don't yet play FT - just DS & SG. But I'm interested, I
own the FT & MT books, and someday intend to actually start a fleet. There's
lots of people on the list who actually DO play all three games
-
why should we have to subscribe to two seperate lists?
3. Crossposting bites. Big time. Know how annoying it is to get the same
message on a couple of different newgroups? (I'm talking of Usenet, but the
principle applies.) Things like Con & website announcements, etc would all
have to be crossposted...
My $0.02 - take it or leave it...
> Hedglin, Nils A <nils.a.hedglin@intel.com> wrote:
While I'm mostly interested in DSII, I'm also interested in SGII and
FTII. I also like the political/historical/strategic discussions that go
on.
Having two or more lists wouldn't help. Using the e-mail tags will help
more. After all, the discussions about invading and defending planets involve
all levels of the FMA (TM) game system, from SGII to FT.
I've got to vote a big negative on the idea of splitting the list. The GZG
games are too closely related, and a lot of discussion of one will spillover
to the other. The wandering of focus is the nature of such a list. IIRC, a
while ago the list was almost nothing but FT. It will be so again.
> At 10:11 PM 9/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
> list. IIRC, a while ago the list was almost nothing but FT. It will
I have to agree with you, Noah. The name of the list, FTGZG, is misleading and
yet it explains it all at the same time. Most people see the FT bit and think
its simply a Full Thrust list (which is what most people call it too). But the
full name of Full Thrust Ground Zero Games list says it all for me. Sure the
list started out for people who wanted to talk about Full Thrust, but since
GZG has produced other quality games, it makes sense that people come to the
FTGZG list to talk about them (also the fact that there is nowhere else to
talk about them). No, please don't split the list.
> Nils Hedglin wrote:
> Hi,
Um. This week I disagree. A case in point:
Today's mail download from the FT list included:
5 posts that were about FT only.
20 posts that were about DSII/SGII, or modern military equipment
relating
to DSII/SGII.
22 posts about planetary assault/defence (applicable to both FT and
DSII/SGII).
1 post proposing a split, and 17 replies (this'll be the 18th, or 30th or so),
and
25 posts about GW's new space attempt, Voltrons etc - ie, no real
relation to any GZG game or to this list.
I have tried to sort the posts according to content, not according to what the
subject line says.
To me, it seems that the posts relating to DSII/SGII are in fact the
biggest part of the on-topic discussions here. This week, that is - next
week it may change.
> 2) A DSII/Stargrunt mailing list might encourage more discussion.
See the figures above. Right now, I think we need to encourage more FT
discussion, not ground-pounder talk ;-)
So my vote is a resounding NO SPLIT :-)
Regards,
At the risk of wasting more bandwidth on this, I agree completely with the
assessment below. NO to two lists.
Eric Ackermann
> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Magnus Alexandersson wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:11:24 -0500, Noah Doyle writes:
> list. IIRC, a while ago the list was almost nothing but FT. It will
I agree. I think splitting the list is a very bad idea. I started on this list
because of FT, but since then I've picked up copies of SG and DS and am
looking forward to a chance to play them. If the lists were seperate, I might
have nover picked up the other two games.