OK, on the topic of mania, obsessions, and various other mental imbalances...
I've started throwing together the non-combat support
organizations. Not all of 'em, but I'm getting started. Among other things,
it's made my listed points costs increasingly irrelevant (I've probably added
a couple dozen thousand points worth by the time we get up to divisional
level). I'm doing the Tagmata first.
www.angelfire.com/va/basileus/Tagmata1.html and
Tagmata2.html
Comments are very much appreciated.
> OK, on the topic of mania, obsessions, and various
I had a quick look through the "higher level" stuff on the Tagmata2 page,
and...
> Comments are very much appreciated.
...barking mad?
...raving loonacy?
...screaming madness?
;)
(I really hope you don't want us to put *that* up on Stargrunt.ca...
<VBG>)
Having said that, if you provided a Glossary or something with it, or a really
brief description of what the major bits are, it would be educational for
people who are interested in exactly what goes on behind the scenes of a
*large* formation (like a Brigade or a Division).
(I wouldn't want to have to refer to an online glossary on another website
to find out what the G3 does, for example, or G6/ISSO.... granted, doing
a full job of that would take a manual, but still... some kind of brief
guide?)
Sure, no one is going to game with that stuff, but I'm sure that there are
people who would be interested.
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From: Adrian Johnson
> Having said that, if you provided a Glossary or something with it, or a
Concur
> Sure, no one is going to game with that stuff
Drat, I suppose that means I can't do the "Fedayeen attack on the Greekie HQ"
scenario I was thinking of. I was just picturing NRE REMFs running around
trying to remember which end of the rifle to point; IF fedayeen discovering
their maps are wrong and trying to decide which are the crucial targets; NRE
MPs trying to decide whether to show up piecemeal or wait they have some mass;
and toss in a couple of IF death commandos just to spice things up.
Fedayeen are at the StarGrunt.ca site and also at the TO page linked from
http://quixnet.net/~deboe/sg/
--- "laserlight@quixnet.net" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
wrote:
> >Sure, no one is going to game with that stuff
Well, I didn't put together the Stargrunt stats (that would be obsesively
fiddly) but I have heard of a simillar situation in an exercise in Korea where
a Ranger unit got mixed up and attacked the 2nd Infantry Division headquarters
mess tent instead of DMain CP. The cooks actually inflicted disasterous
casualties on the Rangers in question...
NRE REMFs tend to be lavishly equipped with SAWs for just this eventuality.
> --- John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Adrian Johnson <adrian.johnson@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> >Comments are very much appreciated.
That's the effect I was hoping for.
> (I really hope you don't want us to put *that* up on
Y'all can't get my rifle platoons up, I don't expect you to do the divisional
staff!
> Having said that, if you provided a Glossary or
Oh... that could be a doozy. I'll try.
> (I wouldn't want to have to refer to an online
G3 is Operations, and the G6 is the Signal section. I think ISSO is in charge
of crypto security, but don't quote me. I'll have to look it up again.
> Sure, no one is going to game with that stuff, but
Don't bet on it...Don would probably be able to deploy a division...
OK, while I'm on the subject, I wrote up Brian Bell's writeup of the Kra'Vak.
http://www.angelfire.com/va/basileus/bell_kravakoi.html
I'm also trying to compile a sort of collection of weapons for Stargrunt.
First version is up at
http://www.angelfire.com/va/basileus/sgweapons.html
Questions? Comments? Concerns?
G'day,
> I'm also trying to compile a sort of collection of
A miscellaneous or general section would be good as would an aliens section.
When I get the chance I'll send you the stats we use for our aliens stuff
(greys, daleks, kv, sv, ph) as well as any of our human stuff you haven't
covered
Cheers
> On 13-Aug-02 at 23:53, John Atkinson (johnmatkinson@yahoo.com) wrote:
> http://www.angelfire.com/va/basileus/sgweapons.html
Um, only 2 rifles with FP3 Imp D12, one a high tech widget belonging to the
UN, the other belonging, strangely enough, to the NRE?
> http://www.angelfire.com/va/basileus/sgweapons.html
Roger said:
> Um, only 2 rifles with FP3 Imp D12, one a high tech widget belonging
Imperial Tactical Technologies (AE) produces the ITT35, same specs.
ITT also produces a 15mm sniper rifle, the ITT59, with FPd10/d12*
The FP2/d8 rifle used by the IF (and, as John mentioned, designed by
someone else) is the Rashid; the upgrade IMPd10 model is the Hakim.
JohnA said
> http://www.angelfire.com/va/basileus/sgweapons.html
with your permission, John, I'll put this in reverse order--eg
FP IMP NAC ESU IF
2 d8 -- AK95 (obsolete) Rashid
2 d10 M26 AK97 Hakim
--- "laserlight@quixnet.net" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
wrote:
> JohnA said
> --- Roger Books <books@jumpspace.net> wrote:
New Israelis have, unless I mistyped, a gauss rifle with a built in grenade
launcher with FP3 Imp d12.
The 3 powers that spend that much money on infantry firepower are the 3 spread
the thinnest. Everyone else can afford to have almost cutting edge equipment.
Besides, Romans have really good equipment, but not much of it. That's the
entire motif of the force. You probably also think it's unfair that every one
of my vehicles has superior fire control.:)
> On 15-Aug-02 at 00:06, John Atkinson (johnmatkinson@yahoo.com) wrote:
> Besides, Romans have really good equipment, but not
Not unfair, just a static view of the world. If all your vehicles have
superior fire control that means you are bleeding edge and some should have
better than superior. When the new thing comes along nobody can afford to
scrap all the old and instantly replace the new. If all the force is Superior
then it has been out for a considerable time
and you should be starting on ultra-mines-better-than-
yours.
The other problem is the military is change resistant top to bottom. Would you
want to be thrown into a combat situation with the brand new uber rifle that
had never been combat tested? I personally wouldn't want to be the general
sending my men out with the "works great in field trials" rifle.
Roger Books wrote in reply to John Atkinson:
> >Besides, Romans have really good equipment, but not
And to give one of those historical examples of which John is so fond
;-),
this is exactly what happened to Italy in the 1930s and 40s. Mussolini
wanted a modern airforce, so he built one - in the early 1930s. In 1933
the Italian airforce was among the best in the world, if not *the* best.
Unfortunately the technical development was so rapid that it was severely
outdated when the war came, a mere six years later...
...so, John - exactly which year is the entire NRE ground force armed
with
these superior rifles? ;-)
Later,
> --- Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:
> --- Roger Books <books@jumpspace.net> wrote:
Ummm... limits of the rules.
> When the new thing comes along nobody can afford to
Firecontrol upgrades are likely to be software upgrades by this point. The
physical mechanisms are just going to be minor refinements.
> The other problem is the military is change
Ummm... Gauss rifles are a proven technology by the
21-somethings (certaintly by 2183). Underbarrel
grenade launchers are also proven technology (going by the fact that 2 of the
four superpowers issue them as standard). Combining them doesn't require a
great leap of logic.
Second, you damn well don't have to lecture a Roman historian AND serving
soldier on the inherent conservatism of military institutions. Believe me, the
NRE probably spent at least 10 years making sure the damn thing worked.
> On 15-Aug-02 at 21:32, John Atkinson (johnmatkinson@yahoo.com) wrote:
> Ummm. . . Gauss rifles are a proven technology by the
If it really was proven wouldn't more people use it? From the impression I
took away from the rules gauss rifles were just barely starting to enter
service anywhere.
> Second, you damn well don't have to lecture a Roman
I know that, I thought it odd that someone with your credentials would be
giving the latest and greatest technowidget to the troops. Again, from my
reading of the rules guass rifles sturdy enough to be fit for military duty
hadn't been around for 10 years.
Just FYI, I resisted giving gauss weapons to the mercenary battalion I am
working on for just the reasons stated.
They are slated for it RSN, the under-table agreement
between them and the NAC government means they often get to play lab rats.
> --- Roger Books <books@jumpspace.net> wrote:
> If it really was proven wouldn't more people use it?
Not necessarily. There are a dozen assault rifles out
there better than the M-16, even the rebuilt A4s, but
the US Army doesn't buy them because it would be incredibly expensive to
reequip everyone.
> I know that, I thought it odd that someone with your
Well, I'm guessing from the designation of FA-75 (and
I could be dead wrong on this) that the French gauss rifle was type
standardized in 2175. And on page 28, gauss weapons are lumped in together
with the other slugthrowers as relibable and robust compared to the fragile,
expensive, and unreliable DEW stuff. And no one objects to a plasma gun per
squad even in lowtech forces.:) And I don't have those (a grenade launcher is
a better investment).
John Atkinson
> ...And no one objects to a plasma gun per squad even in lowtech
*I* object!
> At 4:04 PM -0400 8/16/02, laserlight@quixnet.net wrote:
There's and easy fix for that. Shoot 'em with thae plasma gun!
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:47:21 -0700 (PDT), John Atkinson
> <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And no
Maybe it's because a plasma gun is kind of sucky as a support weapon in SG2.
It has a high impact die, but the firepower die is a lowly D6. If you fire it
as a support weapon in the squad (and not as an individual weapon), you'd be
far better replacing it with a SAW. It can be used as an anti-armour
weapon,
but usually IAVRs or a GMS/P is a better bet.
In spite of Jon's NSL TO&E in the book, I think the NSL would be better off
putting plasma guns in specialist squads for bunker busting and the like.