I really should know these, I used to once, and then I forgot them.
1) ADFC's. I thought I'd read somewhere that under FB1 rules, they can
no longer just fire at any fighters/missiles within 6MU, they can only
fire at them if they are a) attacking the ship itself, or b) attacking a
friendly ship that is within 6MU. When I tried to find the rule again
yesterday, I failed.
2) Kra'Vak MKP's and Firecon, (do they need a Firecon themselves).
3) Whilst trying again to find the answer to 2), I couldn't find the rules for
FireCon systems for Human PDS systems. I'm pretty sure they don't need a
working FireCon, I just couldn't find it in the rules anywhere.
Cheers in advance for the help
P.S: Since I'm off work this week, I've updated my website with pictures of
all my miniatures (Kra'Vak and Sa'Vasku not yet done)
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In the FB2 book, p.7 under ADFC it says 'One ADFC allows the ships PDS... to
fire at any combinations of threats... that are DIRECTLY attacking one other
ship...' (my emphasis)
To be precise, it's not the ADFC that does the shooting, it's PDSystems
controlled by the ADFC
> 2) Kra'Vak MKP's and Firecon, (do they need a Firecon themselves).
they don't need a working FireCon, I just couldn't find it in the > rules
anywhere.
Full Thrust rulebook p.8, end of firecon section: 'Please note that DEFENSIVE
weapons (PDAF & ADAF)... have their own
... fire-control equipment built-in; they do not require the use of the
ships main fire-con ...'
> Cheers in advance for the help
> -----Original Message-----
[Bri] FTFB1 p. 7 reads 'One ADFC allows the ship's PDS ... to fire at
any combination of threats (fighters, SMBs, etc) that are directly attacking
one
other ship that is within 6" of the ADFC-carrying ship.' I.e. if a
fighter
group/missile is not 'directly attacking' it may not be targeted.
On the other hand, it does not state that the fighter/missile that PDS
(not in ADFC mode) target must be attacking the ship (again an assumption that
this rule is carried over from FT 2nd Ed.).
> 2) Kra'Vak MKP's and Firecon, (do they need a Firecon themselves).
[Bri] While it is not stated, it is assumed that a FCS must designate
the target (like submunitions packs).
> 3) Whilst trying again to find the answer to 2), I couldn't find the
[Bri] This is another one of those "assumed" carryovers from the FT 2nd
Ed rules. I could not find it stated in FB1. It is stated in FB2 p. 10 under
scatterguns that "As per the standard rules for PDS fire,... do NOT need a
functioning fire control system in order to fire..."
Also, the rule about Class-1 Beams requiring a FCS to be used in PDS
mode is
omitted/assumed as well.
> Cheers in advance for the help
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> Grogan, Paul wrote:
> 1) ADFC's. I thought I'd read somewhere that under FB1 rules, they
attacking a >friendly ship that is within 6MU.
> When I tried to find the rule again yesterday, I failed.
FB1 p.7, "Area-Defence Control (ADFC)". Line 4 in particular omits the
old ADFC ability to target any fighters within 6mu (whether or not they
actually attack anything), and the note in italics at the end of this section
specifically points out that the ADFC rule replaces the ADAF one.
> 2) Kra'Vak MKP's and Firecon, (do they need a Firecon themselves).
Since the MKP rule doesn't say anything about special FCS requirements,
they use the default FCS rule on FT2 pp.7-8. Sorry for the rather vague
answer, but I'm not sure of what you mean with "themselves".
> 3) Whilst trying again to find the answer to 2), I couldn't find the
For targetting fighters etc: FT2 p.8.
For targetting spaceships: FB1 p.12. This is NOT a carry-over from FT2,
since the FT2 point defence systems weren't able to harm spaceships at all and
therefore never had any need of FCS guidance in FT2.
Regards,