Hello Folks, I know this is going to be somewhat "touchy", but after reading a
British paper's editorial regarding Malta's recent vote to join the EU, I have
to wonder at the following scenario:
FLASH: In a nation wide referendum, England announced today, along with
<insert any other nation the wargamer desires to include> that it was
succeeding from the EU over issues of soveriegn rights. Citing that the EU
"Elitism" and the French Dominance of economic issues, plus a growing trend
towards invasive legal manueverings where EU laws take precedence
over soveriegn laws - also citing that the EU banking commission is not
responsive to the needs of individual nations - England has no choice
but to terminate its participation in the EU.
What if: What if EU attempts to take on a Federal Government Status that
states that no EU member nation may withdraw? What would the forces be like,
say, 20 years from now? What if the United States becomes an isolationist
nation once again telling the rest of the world to go to hell (and thus is not
a factor in such conflicts in the future). What would such a war look like?
Could Dirtside handle the game I wonder? Would anyone be interested in running
such a game? If you are looking for ways and means to determine
how things might go - assume that the EU intends to cut down the size of
militaries such that military spending is only half of what they currently are
today. Use the CIA website to estimate the GNP of "belligerent nations" to try
and estimate the actual budgets that might be in use for the game...
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:32:40 -0500 (EST) <hal@buffnet.net> writes:
Yeah, unintentioanl insults (or less than PC/diplomatic comments make
this kind of near-future scebnario a potentioanl fire starter...
> FLASH: In a nation wide referendum,
Well, to defuse this, try taking less likely nations then UK and France, maybe
a couplew of minor powers like ocurs ib the GZGF timeline in Eastern Eutope
perhaps?
> What if:
Well, is this assumed to be spelled out or a case of same words, different
meaningd (Like 1860'S USA?)
What would the forces be like,
> say, 20 years from now? What if the United States becomes an
Why would USA have to be 1)involved or 2) Isolationist? I'd just leave this
out in the scenario or have USA tied up in a different war (Say,
just for fantawsy with the North Koreans/PRC (Sorry, ESU) perhaps.)
> Could Dirtside handle the game I wonder?
Well I expect so but there are no official DS 2 Campaign rules if that is what
you are looking at.
Would anyone be interested
> in
Hal, I think it would be a case of "Go with what you have" war.
I expect current strengths reduced by "X"% would suffice.
Gracias,
> Well, to defuse this, try taking less likely nations then UK and
Point is, most of the smaller nations are not going to have an awful lot
of manpower and/or equipment to throw. As for the Tuffleyverse - a
Colonial USA is no more or less far fetched than another Anglo-Franco
war
;)
> Why would USA have to be 1)involved or 2) Isolationist? I'd just
The idea here is to keep the war large enough to be an interesting campaign,
yet small enough that it isn't a World War III or IV event as it were.
> On 10 Mar 2003 at 4:32, hal@buffnet.net wrote:
> FLASH: In a nation wide referendum, England
So Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland stay in the EU? ;-)
> announced today, along with
Denmark seems to have been the other most ambivalent country towards
EU centralisation. A Danish/English alliance against the rest of the
EU gives some fun potential for conflict on/under/over the North Sea.
> --- Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net> wrote:
Don't laugh too hard - such a conflict might be viewed
by nationalists in those countries as the perfect opportunity to finally sever
ties with England while she is busy with other matters. That also throws a
monkey wrench in the works when Scots/Welsh/Northern
Irish army units suddenly have to decide on loyalty (again shades of 1860's
USA).
> > announced today, along with
It seems that from a background POV there might be up
to 4 groups of nations in such a conflict - the
separatists like England, Unionists, such as France perhaps, as well as those
who sympathize with England but don't want to get involved, and those who
believe in the EU, but not strongly enough to fight over it....