[SGII]: PA in close assault, Multiple opponents

Hi,

After that question about PA in CA I have been thinking about CA rules and PA
n stuff. I have even been doing some number crunching (OK, I was in a lab
session and I had to watch it reflux for an age!).

All my sums are based on Veteran PA trooper vs Regular ordinary soldiers

with no CA weapons;

According to my numbers, a PA trooper fighting an ordinary trooper (or
'man'
from here on), has an 85% chance of surviving (since a PA trooper is soooooo
hard I feel surviving is enough) the first round of combet, this makes him a
monster (all right an proper in my opinion)!

Against 2 men, he has a 77.5% chance of surviving.

BUT my big problem is that as more and more men try and take this guy on, then
the formula for n soldiers attacking him is as follows:

7   +   6   x 100
10     40n

This means that if you let n (the number of men) tend to infinity, the chance
of the PA trooper surviving is still 70%

This would mean that in CA a PA soldier can take on as many people as he

likes and still have a 70% chance of coming out on top! This I feel makes them
too hard. I can hear the words "Starship Troopers" in my ears so I will say
this:

If PA soldiers are were that powerful, would they be deployed in 6/4 man

squads against ordinary infanrty? Would't arming them with two SAWs or a SAW
and a hard target killing device (PPG?) and deploying them as individuals
(giving them sufficient fire-power to compete with squads of men) and 1
man being the equivalent to a squad, and telling them to get on with it, in
the
same way as the Mobile Infantry from Henleiln's master-piece.

But the rules as they stand mean that it i snot worth trying to
out-number
PA in CA by massing attacks, its just not worth it.

My suggestion is that some kind of shifting system should be applied to
outnumbered soldiers (PA or other-wise) in CA, I thought as open shift
using
a -1 die shift for the outnumbered trooper (though still giving the PA
dice double, coz they are still pretty hard!).

With the multiple people rolling 1 dice each and comparing as in the rules the
chances (still of survival, maybe not soo apropriate, but hey) are as follows:

n=1:	85%
n=2:	71.9%
n=3:	58%
n=4:	34.4%
n=5:    10% (it gets a bit brutal when the thing is D10/D4 doubled)
n=6:    6% (ouch, but if you've got 5 guys on you, you have to be bruce-

lee in a PA suit to survive!)

Lets not forget that CA is bayonetes, grenades, point blank rifle shots etc.
If PA can suffer from small arms ranged combats, then they've gotta suffer
against 5 guys up close and personal.

A bit less brutal for outnumbered people is:

Modified dice roll as above, but only one dice for the guys ganging up on the
poor victim, and then if the victim wins by more than double then he

knocks down two, more than triple he knocks down three etc, I dont feel that
its brutal enough for me.

What do you guys think?

> This means that if you let n (the number of men) tend to infinity, the

Perhaps, but this is irrelevant IMO. I mean really, in a single round of close
combat how many would be able to come to grips with a single PA suited
soldier? I would expect 5 or 6 at the very, very most. So, extrapolating this
formula to infinity has no bearing IMHO.

Point taken,

but I will say that CA does not just mean the hand to hand part of it (after
all, you are armed with a knife, and a burst fire assault rifle that deals
death in little lead chunks from the end, which do you use to take out the
enemy? But even if a PA soldier was only fighting 6 men at a time, should he
really have a 70% chance of taking them ALL out in one round of CA? This

makes it totally pointless massing troops against PA, which I feel is not
right, after all, that's how CA are won, British Army estimates 3-1 odds
are
required to attack an ocupied position, the Russians, 7-1 (?), the NAC
marines will have to say that it takes a whole lot of 1-1 odds over and
over agian to win... this sounds wrong to me.

> Richard Kirke wrote:

I assume the extra troops are required to clear the enemy minefields :-)

Stamp-stamp-stamp-BOOM !