Hi,
Does anyone have any idea how to model heavy machine guns like the GPMG for
SGII? If you call them RFAC or GAC etc then they only get impact D8 against
inf, and can only be class 1. Oh and they are also only d4 guidance, this will
make them pretty useless compared to the actual impact of engaging a squad
with a heavy machine gun, which I would think would be a bit more effective.
Obviuosly the fact remains that the SGII SAW is a dangerous beast, probably
outshooting most machine guns in existence today... but I kinda assume that
the highest rate of fire weapons will still be tripod mounted affairs which
chuck EVEN more lead/osmium/whatever at the target.
WELL, about a geologic age ago, the so-called LMG and GPMG fired the
same cartridge in use with the basic rifle caliber.
the bipod concept was to permit rapid battlefield and tactical movement for
these beltt, magazine or clip (yes clip was not a magazine originally) fed air
cooled LMG in an age when most MGs were water cooled, and mounted on tripods
or wheeled carriages.
the GPMG machine concept was a rifle caliber air-cooled weapon mounted
on a tripod for sustained and plotted fires from a defensive position OR used
with a bipod as a LMG.
HMG, are an outgrowth of WW I 11MM FRENCH AA machineguns and GERMAN big bore
AT rifles.
as i remember it, the UK, USA, and USSR were the only nations to actively
employ 12.7 mm or larger caliber HMG in WW II and between wars. maybe the
ITALIANS, too.
as HMG these were always mounted on infantry tripods, aircraft, vehicles, and
ships. early model USA HMG were water cooled but quickly
became air-cooled before WW II.
then along came NATO, which went from a 7.62mm rifle and LMG/GPMG
cartridge to a 5.56mm rifle cartridge (thank you UNCLE SUGAR!).
which inturn saw the birth of the 5.56mm SAW.
and the point is?
SAW shoud have a higher rate of fire (maybe) than an assault rifle or
ACR (does not matter if the bullet/flechette is launched with explosive
cartride, binary propellant, or gauss pulse) ut IMPACT and ARMOR DEFEATING
POTENTIAL SHOULD BE THE SAME!
now , if the LMG/GPMG uses a more powerful round, even it it shoots
slower than the SAW, IMPACT and ARMOR DEFEATING POTENTIAL SHOULD BE BETTER!
also range, and accuracy!
and now we come to the monster bore HMG and anti-material weapons. the
HMG maybe slower shooting than the SAW, BUT, boyo, boyo, boyo who ever is on
the recieving end is in deep shit! and the ATR is slower shooting still, but,
the love tap at the recieiving end will ruin the reciever's whole day!
so these should be rated as very powerful weapons when compared to SAWs,
GPMGs/LMGs, and individual weapons that fire projectiles.
my thoughts!
DAWGIE
> At 8:47 AM -0600 4/5/02, DAWGFACE47@webtv.net wrote:
<pet peeve> They still aren't technically clips despite everyone wanting to
call them such. M16's don't have clips, they have detachable box
magazines. M1 Garands have clips, en-bloc clips. Enfield rifles use
chargers (a kind of clip) that is used to load or charge the magazine which is
a detachable box magazine that is hardly ever detached.
</pet peeve>
> the GPMG machine concept was a rifle caliber air-cooled weapon mounted
It used to be called the Heavy MG in the days of yore based on it's amount of
fire. The water cooled models are the ones I speak of.
A Vickers gun with a good supply of water and ammo could fire all day. They
could be used in fact for long range indirect interdiction fire. The volume
and duration of fire is amazing.
> HMG, are an outgrowth of WW I 11MM FRENCH AA machineguns and GERMAN
Or American. We call those heavy machine guns now. Back then, they
were Anti-tank rifles.
> as i remember it, the UK, USA, and USSR were the only nations to
So were some of the British large calibre MGs. There were.51 (iirc) Vickers
guns that were water cooled. I think the Pompoms fell into the Cannon class
though.
> then along came NATO, which went from a 7.62mm rifle and LMG/GPMG
Which the us took a long time to see as useful. FN jumped on the 7.62 market
and the 5.56 market very wisely when it came to MGs.
> and the point is?
The HMGs and ATRs should have the same impact. Perhaps the HMG should have the
same impact as an HMR?
> so these should be rated as very powerful weapons when compared to
All good logic.
> Does anyone have any idea how to model heavy machine guns like the GPMG
How about as a Gauss SAW?