Yeah, guess I forgot about the US Army MP's.... Again the ability to have
short or no supply lines is handy. You can drive to the scene of the riot or
shoot out, finish your doughnut and not hump umpteen million miles just to get
shot at. So individual RCMP detachments are doled out weapons according
to need/ budget/ mission/ status rather than by some overweaning
master-plan. Interesting. Well it's not much of an effort to change
Royal Canadian to Royal COLONIAL so maybe that's a good starting point for
NAC's law enforcement arm. I imagine some RCMP detachments have to cover a
bazillion square miles (hectares?) in some of the more remote areas of Canada,
much like some theoretical frontier worlds. Sargeant Preston of Alpha
Centauri? and his glort Centauri King!?
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May
> have
George,Eugene spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> 2) Armed (Most US (Canadian? Mexican? Street Cops/Sheriffs, Armored
I know of some RCMP detachments where they don't even have shotguns anymore in
the cars. (They didn't use them enough to merit the maintenance).
> 3) Paramilitary (SWAT Teams, Carbinieri,???) Armed with smg's, sniper
Some SWAT teams have BA better than military BA with full steel or ceramic
inserts and full torso, neck, head, groin, and thigh protection and ballistic
kneegaurds. And some SWAT snipers have better sniper weapons for their
purposes (most shots under 200m) than the military snipers.
> 4) Military Indistinguishable from the local military. (Banana
US MPs?
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George,Eugene spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> Yeah, guess I forgot about the US Army MP's.... Again the ability to
Now that sounds like an infantry sentiment (heh heh). Reminds me of how the
Armoured Recce guys used to like to drive buy hot, tired, sweaty grunts and
pop open a cold one as they drove by.... (buggers). Their motto was "...if
it's more than 10 feet, we drive!".
So individual RCMP detachments are doled out weapons according
> to need/ budget/ mission/ status rather than by some overweaning
Has to do with modern fiscal realities. Most places RCMP are doing what you'd
know as normal police work (General Duty Policing), they are doing it as a
contract agency that won a contract bid to the municipality or region. Means
that 90% of the funding comes from the Municipality, thus giving it a lot of
control of the situation. Now, mind you, they are still RCMP members who also
must answer to Ottawa's directives (two masters....).
Interesting. Well it's not much of an effort to change Royal
> Canadian to Royal COLONIAL so maybe that's a good starting point for
You could do far worse. Their advantage includes the fact that they get good
training at Depot in Saskatchewan, they are a Federal body, so that you get
new officers in and out of an area every few years thus helping to minimize
local nepotism and patronage that develops in many municipal or small town
departments that don't get outsiders rotated through regularly, and they are
very professional.
I imagine some RCMP detachments have to cover a
> bazillion square miles (hectares?) in some of the more remote areas of
Heh! Due South of the Ecliptic? Dudley Do-right of the New Anglian
Royal Colonial Mounted Police (NARCMP)?
In fact, for example, Alberta (about as big as two or three states)
has two dispatch centres, one of which serves 350-400 officers
scattered over 70 odd detachments, but since a few are urban
detachments with 10-40 officers, many are 2-10 man (1-2
SG2 squads?) detachments in the middle of nowhere that cover wide areas. When
your nearest backup is 150km away, you learn that your
gun isn't how you police - you live by your wits and your strength of
will/character. You learn not to put yourself into a position you
can't survive and you learn that you have to do your job without making fights
happen that you can't win with minimal support (your one other guy!).
Now, the country Mounties are likely to have an AR-15 or an Mini-14
tucked away in the detachment office (or even in the car) along with a shotgun
in the car. But you still don't want to look like a tac team officer (black,
armoured, heavily armed) when you show up at a domestic, even if it is in west
nowheresville. You still have to
present an image - that's why RCMP use low profile undershirt vests
most of the time, and don't draw their pistols too often. Like the
British police, our guys try to defuse rather than dominate - until
they don't have any choice. Note that backwoods detachments tend to love Dog
units, since the Dog is like an extra man, but with better eyes and reflexes.
Tom.
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> You wrote:
> Some SWAT teams have BA better than military BA with full steel or
They don't have to lug their junk nearly as far as soldiers have to. I might
even go as far as d10 (in SG terms) armor which is unpowered, but which
exhausts the troops rapidly.
> 4) Military Indistinguishable from the local military. (Banana
Or Brit. Remember that US MPs have no rpt no law enforcement authority except
when dealing with military personell, when on federal property (IIRC, this is
restricted to military bases, but don't quote me on it), and when an area is
under martial law or in a combat zone.
Jonathan spake thusly upon matters weighty:
Of course, it also depends on
> the number of trained frearms officers in the force - the Met has an
But they have the secret of the dreaded *Scots Kiss* to defend
them...
(Okay, I'll slink away quietly....)
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> You wrote:
> Of course, the well equipped crim of the future has EW caps and uses
Jamming can be tracked. Highly unlikely your average city will have anything
like the EW environment of a battlefield, and a radio jammer would stick out
like a sore thumb.
devans@uneb.edu spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> I wonder how many Non-Australians are familiar with Ned Kelly? Sort of
Didn't yahoo serious do a movie about him?
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John brings up a good point. Most jamming works on putting out a bigger signal
than the one that you are trying to JAM and stepping all over it.
Very DF-able.
John spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> Ah, yes. Black beauties. Once under the influence of these we were
Wow. I saw a PBS special on fearless people (those who have a problem or
complex that prevents one experiencing fear). They get burned, hurt, etc.
because they don't have the healthy human reactions that automatically avoid
some things. One of these folk may know a pot is hot intellectually but not
realize it on a lower level and so may grab the hot pot by accident while
cooking whereas you or I might well automatically avoid this. I wonder if what
you're talking about isn't the temporary equivalent of that. And it can let
you do some cool feats, but I'll bet in the long term it gets lots of guys
dead from avoidable stuff. Fine for your guys about to go into close assault
with the hideous Kra'Vak, but not so good for your deep recce SOF guys.
Anybody got some ideas for rules for these things? It would have to have
'morale effects' in terms of when you test and how severe the tests are, but
it should have some detrimental effects (overconfidence to the point of
needless risk).
Tom.
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> Thomas Barclay wrote:
> SOF guys. Anybody got some ideas for rules for these things? It would
I don't see what rules would be needed unless you are doing a campaign type of
scenario and you wnat to highlight the effects of continous operations on your
troops. I would just lower troop quality in that case?
Good for campaigns. You fight three consecutive scenarios. your troops need to
rest, however you push them into one more fight using drugs to keep their
performance up. After that they take a hit for x amount of time (quality
level) as they recoup.
> Thomas Barclay wrote:
> [quoted text omitted]
<lots of good stuiff on jamming>
> abandon), but the police probably cannot do so (a little matter of
Good point. There have been some good advances in the field. (note: I've been
out of the commo-end of theings for almost five years)Of course, true to
form wit a lot of otehr things teh old Soviets did, there style was to jam
witha "heavy hand" across multiple frequencies. Given the latest advances,
plus extrapolating into the future, that way of doing busines is most likely
gone.
Los spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> John brings up a good point. Most jamming works on putting out a
Not to argue, but my limited experience (conversations with a man involved in
rather secretive contract work for the government whose background is Canadian
Signals for the Para Regt and whose work now involves assessment of major
communications systems security for major players in Canada), I'm told that
GOOD jamming doe snot involve dropping a lot of power on a broad part of the
spectrum, because this is a waste of ERP. Obviously, you want to mess up the
signal you are trying to jam, but just tromping it is not always the only
route. And to tromp it, you may only need signal parity (especially if it is
data!), not more power. So if my 2W walkie talkie system is my Cop Std issue,
then a jammer that puts out 10W used properly will be way sufficient, and not
that brutally hard to conceal. Now, try to jam a 25W radio, and you may need a
much bigger jammer. The thing is, for reasons of radiating harmonics, induced
signals and currents, etc. we limit the bandwidth and power of most
communications devices in our spectrum and that includes those used by the
police. The military can often ignore that (DND here violates CRTC rulings and
airspace with abandon), but the police probably cannot do so (a little matter
of law). So I think jamming cops with some not too outrageous equipment is
feasible, especially for the well rigged and funded crim (who possibly has
military gear).
> John Atkinson wrote:
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