SG2: Little HMMWVs (Hummers)

Wandering around the Web the other day, I hit the Hummer (yes, the civilian
version of that great truck) web page. It has some toy HMMWVs for sale. It
says
that they're 1/64th scale.  Is this too big for SG2?
I couldn't find a name, but anybody have an idea of who makes these? Here's a
link to the page:
https://secure.elkhart.net/hummerstuff/index.html

> From previous threads it sems that 1/64th is pretty darn close to

Owen G

> -----Original Message-----

In a message dated Fri, 24 Sep 1999 1:56:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Ted Arlauskas <ted@naxera.com> writes:

> Wandering around the Web the other day, I hit the

1/64 is too SMALL for SG2 if you use 25-28mm figs.  If I am not mistaken
1/64 is the scale of most of Matchbox and Hotwheels vehicles.

But, if you game 15mm it might be okay... I have seen a the Matchbox version
for under $1 around where I live and I am pretty sure it says
1/64 on the bottom (my son has one).

UsClintons@aol.com on 24/09/99 13:33:27

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Subject:  Re: SG2: Little HMMWVs (Hummers)

> Wandering around the Web the other day, I hit the
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> 1/64 is too SMALL for SG2 if you use 25-28mm figs. If I am not

> But, if you game 15mm it might be okay... I have seen a the Matchbox

> Scott Clinton

Sorry, I beg to differ. When Jon T designs the 25mm vehicles for Stargrunt,
he uses 1/60 as the notional scale.
To take a 25mm figure, it all depends how you measure it. For the sake of
argument, lets say that 25mm is equivalent to 6 feet.
This means that 72ins (1828mm) is represented by 25mm. 1828 /25 = 73. So
the correct scale is 1/73. Most people reckon that 25mm is equivalent to
1/72. Actually, the 25mm measurement is often reckoned to be "foot to
eye" rather than "foot to toop of head" and anyeway most humans
are less than 6 feet tall. Either way, the effect is that 1/72 is too
small. Thus, Jon T uses 1/60 to make the vehicles appear "chunky"
compared to the figures. They look fine to me.

Therefore I reckon that 1/64 is OK for 25mm.

As for 15mm, Peter Pig, who produces one of the largest ranges of 15mm figs
      on the market uses 1/100 for the vehicle scale,

so 1/64 is WAY too big for 15mm!!

> > 1/64 is too SMALL for SG2 if you use 25-28mm figs. If I am not

> Sorry, I beg to differ. When Jon T designs the 25mm vehicles for
So
> the correct scale is 1/73. Most people reckon that 25mm is equivalent
compared
> to the figures. They look fine to me.

> Mike Elliott

Ahhh...sure.

It makes no difference how you measure the figure. Sorry I have had this
argument before and I have no desire to have it again.

Just take a 1/64 Matchbox car, set it next to a figure labeled as 25mm
and tell me if you can REALLY visualize the figure driving the matchbox car.
I, myself can not visualize the figure even fitting through the
car door!  (note: not all Matchbox are 1/64 but many are)

Also, MANY of the figures labeled as 25mm today are really much closer to 28mm
(all GW for example). And even those like Ral Partha have seen
a 'size-creep'.  I know I have some of their figures from the 70s I got
when I was a kid and they ARE smaller than most of their stuff today.

..AND there is a big difference between 1/64 and 1/60 when it comes to
comparing them to 25mm figures. It may not seem like a lot to you but it is
noticeable to me.

..AND as someone who plays (a lot) of 1/72 scale WW2 and 25mm SG2 I can
assure you that 25mm does NOT equal 1/72 scale.  Perhaps in theory it
should, but in practice and in the market they are not even close and never
really have been.

In a message dated 9/24/99 7:34:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
> UsClintons@aol.com writes:

<<
 1/64 is too SMALL for SG2 if you use 25-28mm figs.  If I am not
mistaken
1/64 is the scale of most of Matchbox and Hotwheels vehicles.

But, if you game 15mm it might be okay... I have seen a the Matchbox version
for under $1 around where I live and I am pretty sure it says
1/64 on
the bottom (my son has one).
> [quoted text omitted]

1/72nd is exactly 1 inch equals six feet which makes it a pretty perfect

match for 20mm figures (1/72nd scalle plastics). 1/64th is almost
perfect for 25mm figures a tiny hair short for 28's. THe whole thing is "Does
it look good side by side?" If the answer is yes, terrific! If the answer is
no it won't do you any good. I have an old lead 25 from a bad batch of
Napoleonics
I used to have. It is in my pocket all the time (poor worn-oujt, bashed
about lint infested thing it might be, but it allows me to make that judgement
at
the Wal-Mart or the Toys-R-Us whenever the question pops up.