1. QD=Unit Integrity (for both tranferer & transferee). It gives a small
advantage to the higher quality troops. If it works, this should probably be
carried over to the main rules as well. 2. No. As long both squad leader &
fire team are within the integrity distance of their quality. Skilled troops
are more likely to pay attention
to instructions verbal and hand-signals without mis-interpretation.
3. Yes. Additionally, what happens to the chain of command when the LT dies?
Normal squads allocate a new officer; the fireteams don't have a replacement.
Brendan 'Neath Southern Skies
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On Apr 8, 2005 6:24 AM, Robertson, Brendan
> <Brendan.Robertson@dva.gov.au> wrote:
> 3. Yes. Additionally, what happens to the chain of command when the
If the LT dies? You hope someone put out a good paragraph five of the OPORD.
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2005, John Atkinson wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2005 6:24 AM, Robertson, Brendan
Can you translate that last sentance for those of us who don't speak fluent
American Military?
I'm assuming that paragraph five is where the transfer/devolving of
command is covered usually?
Thanks!
> On Apr 9, 2005 10:38 PM, Brian Burger <yh728@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
> > If the LT dies? You hope someone put out a good paragraph five of
Paragraph 5 is Command and Signal. Radio nets and freqs,
pyrotechnics, and the all-important sucession of command. Usually
Platoon Sergeant, then squad leaders in order of seniority. Then team leaders
in order of seniority, then on the the soldiers. In reality, it tend to work
out to "whoever has a working radio handy and takes charge." In any army worth
having (granted, that's a short list today, US, UK, Aussies, Canuks, Germans,
Israelis) someone is going to take command after a short period of confusion
if the chain of command has too many holes in it.
Which effectively is the existing rules for detachments in SG.
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I have been back from my trip for a while. Now that I am caught up with Real
Life, I have the time to put in my two cents.:)
I think the Team house rules look pretty good, but there are some things to
consider wile working on them.
First, there are some real-world forces which use fireteams but the
Squad leader is not seperate, rather he leads one of the teams.
e.g.1 British squads consist of 6 riflemen (SL+5) and two soldiers
armed with LSWs, formed into two balanced 4-man teams with the LSWs
divided between them. The SL leads one team and the ASL leads the other.
e.g.2 Soviet/Russian squads consist of 5 riflemen (SL+4), two soldiers
armed with RPKs (=LSW), and a 2-man RPG team.
Based on the way these are used in the real life, there is a need in
SG2 when using teams for the option of Squad-Level actions, such as
Reorganize, to allow the squad to change the make-up of its teams.
e.g.1 British squads routinely reform into a "gun group", consisting of the
ASL and the LSW gunners, and a "maneuver group" consisting of SL and riflemen.
e.g.2 American squads (SL +2x4-man fireteams) have one member of each
fireteam as the "Anti-Armor Specialist". He is a rifleman, but the two
AAS can form a ATGM team to use Dragon or Javelin ATGMs.
e.g.3 WW2 USMC squads (SL +3x4-man fireteams) used to reorganize the 3
BAR gunners and their assistants into a base of fire team while the rest of
the squad would maneuver against an enemy position.
Second, there are a number of RL organizations that have both fireteams
and crew-served weapons teams in the same squad. SG squad-team rules
need to take these into account.
e.g.1 an older UK organization was 6 riflemen (SL+5) and a 2-man GPMG
team (bipod, belt-fed MG). The GPMG was replaced with 2 LSWs after the
SA-80 was adopted.
e.g.2 an older soviet organization was 5 riflemen (SL+4), a 2-man PK
team (bipod, belt-fed MG), and a 2-man RPG team. The PK was later
replaced by 2xRPK. e.g.3 an older US army organization (c. Vietnam) consisted
of SL,
2x4-man fireteams, and a 2-man M-60 team (bipod, belt-fed MG).
Thirdly, while having teams be the same Q as the SL is a good baseline, there
are situations where you might have a team with a dfferent Q than the SL (e.g.
if you use the replacement rules from SG2). The rules should keep in mind this
possibility.
Keeping these in mind, as well as the desire to encourage the SL to keep up
with his teams, I have some suggestions.
SQUAD COHERENCY
- Squads w/o fireteams use the coherency RAW; i.e. 2" between figures
OR 6" radius.
TEAM COHERENCY
- Teams use the following coherency rule: Either 2" between figures OR
a radius equal to HALF the team's Quality Die Type. e.g. a Regular Team (d8)
is 2" betwen figures or all figures within a 4" radius.
SQUAD-TEAM COHERENCY
- Teams must remain within coherency of either an independent SL or
another team from the same Squad. Measure from the closest member of
the two teams/individual. S-T coherency is equal to the lowest QD of
the units in question. e.g. a Regular fireteam must be within 8" of a Veteran
SL. A Veteran weapon team must be with 8" of a Regular fireteam from the same
squad or 10" of a veteran SL. By allowing teams to measure coherency to
another team, the squad may be positioned in a line rather than clumped around
the SL.
- Teams may leave S-T coherency if they are given specific orders by
their SL or higher command. e.g. "take and hold Hill XYZ", "move to Pos. ABC
and lay fire to cover 2nd squad", "occupy that farmhouse and observe enemy
movements".
SQUAD-TEAM ACTIVATIONS
- Teams normally are activated individually. However, a special "Squad
Activation" may be used by teams in close proximity to their SL. When the SL
is activated, any unactivated teams from his squad within HALF the QD of the
lesser QD of the SL and team may be activated at the same time. Measure from
the closest member of the team to the SL or the closest member of his team if
the SL is not independent. This allows
all the activated figures/teams to take their actions in the same
activation, but teams still have 2 actions each. Note that this is only
available for unactivated teams, and so cannot be used for reactivations due
to transfered actions unless the particular team is not yet activated. e.g. A
Veteran SL has a Veteran team and a Regular team. When the SL is activatd, the
Veteran team may also take its activation if it is within 5" of the SL, while
the Regular team may take its activation if it is within 4" of the SL.
SQUAD ACTIONS
- When a Squad-Team is activated, it may Reorganize its teams to
transfer figures from one team to another, to form a specialist team from
among the memebrs of the squad, or to combine depleated teams into one larger
team. This counts as one action for each team involved as well as the SL if
the SL is independent.
COMMUNICATIONS There is a suggestion I read on a website (either Stargrunt.ca
or Hyperbear.com, I'm not sure which) about applying a die type shift for PLs
who are far away attempting to rally units. I like this idea, and the
principle can be expanded. It inspired the following.
BASIC COMMUNICATIONS This represents verbal communications, hand signals,
messages passed via PFC Jones, etc.
- Units within HALF the QD range between nearest figures can
communicate without a roll if they are unobstructed. Those who are obstructed
must make a communications roll. e.g. a Regular SL and a regular fireteam are
in alleys on opposite ides
of a wide street (3") they can communicate w/o a roll.
If they are on the same side of the street and seperated by a
playgroud, they may also communicate w/o a roll.
If they are in alleys on the same side of a street on opposite sides of the
same building, they are Obstructed and must make a roll.
- Units within 6" but >half the QD must make a roll if unobstructed,
and -1 die type if obstructed and w/o comms. Units w/comms get no
penalties for being obstructed if they use their comms, but there may be
scenario reasons to avoid using comms.
- Units attempting basic communications w/o comms while suppressed who
would normally not have to roll must make a communications roll, and -1
DT per suppression after the first.
- Units attempting basic communications w/o comms while suppressed who
would normally have to roll must make their communications roll with -1
DT per suppression.
TRANSFERRING ACTIONS TO TEAMS
- The Command radius of a SL is the lesser of either his QD or the QD
of the Team in question.
- A SL can transfer actions to subordinate teams within his Command
Radius w/o penalty. Note that transfers may require communication
roll, and transfers over 6" also require comms.
- A SL can transfer actions to subordinate teams outside his command
radius w/ a -1 DT penalty.
- A SL attempting to rally a subordinate team without being within TEAM
COHERENCY suffers a -1 DT penalty. This is in addition to any penalty
to being outside Command radius. E.g. a Regular SL can transfer actions to a
regular team within 8" or a
green team within 6" w/o penalty. He can transfer actions to either
team at greater ranges, but suffers a penalty.
Comments?
J