SG2/DS2 artillery/CBR/Designators

5 posts ยท Nov 29 1999 to Dec 1 1999

From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:14:39 -0500

Subject: RE: SG2/DS2 artillery/CBR/Designators

Greetings!

On future and present day battlefields, how long does Counter-Battery
Radar (CBR) last? It would seem that as soon as the radar is switched on there
would be a shell, rocket, or missile in the air to remove it.

Along the same lines, seeing the trend toward smart or guided
munitions/missiles, I could easily see a counter-designating weapon.
That is a weapon system similar to PDS that detects target designating lasers
and send fire back to its point of origin.

This could have a marked effect on the future battlefield.

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From: Roger Books <books@m...>

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:19:42 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: SG2/DS2 artillery/CBR/Designators

> On 29-Nov-99 at 17:16, Brian Bell (bkb@beol.net) wrote:
That
> is a weapon system similar to PDS that detects target designating

Or even smart artillery rounds. They zig, they zag, they fly at ground level
over hill and dale, popping up at the last moment.

A rose by any other name...

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:26:36 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: SG2/DS2 artillery/CBR/Designators

> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Roger Books wrote:

> Or even smart artillery rounds. They zig, they zag, they fly at

then that would be a tube launched guided missile...

From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:18:48 +0100

Subject: Re: SG2/DS2 artillery/CBR/Designators

> Brian Bell wrote:

> Greetings!

> Radar (CBR) last? It would seem that as soon as the radar is switched

> on there would be a shell, rocket, or missile in the air to remove

Very good question, that one. I'm particularly intrigued by how passive
CB detectors are supposed to work - ie, those that don't turn the radar
on before they've already detected enemy rounds :-/

Of course, your own CBRs are priority units to protect with area
defence units :-/

> Along the same lines, seeing the trend toward smart or guided

Laser designation is rather uncommon in the smart ammunition programs I know
of, just because of their need of someone to paint the target.
Laser warners are already in use, so HARM-ish weapons homing on enemy
lasers shouldn't be too far off.

Regards,

From: Samuel Reynolds <reynol@p...>

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:12:39 -0700

Subject: Re: SG2/DS2 artillery/CBR/Designators

> Brian Bell wrote:

Multi-receiver complex interferometers.
Even a spread-spectrum radar is a hot radiator if you're
building a broadband, 2D or 3D complex passive map (though you do have to
calculate out the time delays as well as the phase shifts). Of course, it
requires tight timing synchronization, but they've been doing that with
radiotelescopes for years--though there they record
the data and post-calculate instead of doing it in real-time.

You can do it with stationary or moving receivers. The more receivers, the
better. For a small to moderate area of interest, you could use numerous
drones, for example.

- Sam