From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:06:15 +1000
Subject: Re: [SG2] AAR: Escape from Tangana - Long Tan
> Thomas Barclay wrote: Sounds a bit like the battle of Long Than. Where a relatively green company of Australian infantry got ambushed by 2 battalions of Mainforce and a battalion of local VC, in the rain in a plantation. see http://vietvet.org/visit/maps/longt.htm for a map A quote from http://www.q-net.net.au/~dazsal/longtan.html > Captured enemy documents and the interrogation of prisoners revealed For the full story, try http://users.mildura.net.au/users/marshall/lt/lt.htm Unlike this scenario, the Australians had plenty of artillery from a NZ battery. And they knew how to use it. After a few hours, reinforcements arrived in the shape of an Armoured Cavalry (APC) Squadron and more troops. Funnily enough I went to Uni with a guy from Beijing who'd been a "Military Advisor", in charge of some 57mm RRs the NVA were using at the time. He nearly got squashed by an M113 twice, as the APCs just drove through the VC positions, then back through again, in almost zero visibility. He said that it was a classic Horseshoe ambush: that the orders were to get in close, to avoid the Australian artillery and US air strikes (the latter were prevented by the weather in the event). But that with the rain, command and control was impossible, there was almost no cover, the Australians fired single shots rather than automatic so were difficult to locate, and seemingly every round they fired hit. The VC just could not work out why the heck everything was turning to custard, because "by the book" the Australians had been suckered completely, a complete intelligence foul-up for them. He said the VC had lost about 50% casualties, including just about all the brand-new heavy weapons. I might add that according to the company commander's home page at http://users.mildura.net.au/users/marshall/harry/harry.htm he still doesn't believe it was an ambush.