From: Matt Tope <mptope@o...>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:20:08 -0000
Subject: Re: [SG] weapons
> Karl Heinz wrote: > Quite so. On the other hand, if we are talking PSB about future Excuse my ignorance, but what are sand casters? I've seen the term used on the list once or thrice, is it some kind of scattergun type device? Regards,
From: Roger Burton West <roger@f...>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:33:21 +0000
Subject: Re: [SG] weapons
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 12:20:08PM -0000, Matt Tope wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but what are sand casters? I've seen the term used The term originates with Traveller, I believe, where they were a defensive weapon which deployed large clouds of sensor-absorbent material (generically "sand", but it was implied that this fulfilled the function of chaff, IR-blocking smoke, etc.) to impair enemy targeting abilities.
From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:46:53 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Re: [SG] weapons
Roger Burton West schrieb: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 12:20:08PM -0000, Matt Tope Right. To expand a bit, Traveller was/is the original SF role-playing game, with a fairly extensive spaceship section. IIRC, the sand casters' cloud also were to a degree able to absorb beam weapons and to harm incoming missiles. Scattergun is a rough (but more powerful) equivalent in FT Greetings Karl Heinz
From: Matt Tope <mptope@o...>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:56:59 -0000
Subject: Re: [SG] weapons
> Karl Heinz wrote: > Roger Burton West schrieb: > Right. To expand a bit, Traveller was/is the original SF role-playing > IIRC, the sand casters' cloud also were to a degree able to absorb beam > Scattergun is a rough (but more powerful) equivalent in FT So in FT terms it would combine the effects of a scattergun, with a Phalon Vapour shroud, and being in a nebula. Nifty stuff. Regards,
From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:08:58 -0600
Subject: Re: [SG] weapons
*** Right. To expand a bit, Traveller was/is the original SF role-playing game, with a fairly extensive spaceship section. IIRC, the sand casters' cloud also were to a degree able to absorb beam weapons and to harm incoming missiles. Scattergun is a rough (but more powerful) equivalent in FT *** Showing a foolish leaping-in-without-the-benefit-of-books-handy, I believe that the sand's main function was to absorb beam weapon fire. The 'sand' would vaporize, absorbing the energy. I'm not sure when, whether in the original rules or later, but the sand 'cloud' followed inertia, so a ship was protected as long as it didn't have a course change. If it changes direction, thrusts or retards, and the ship would pull out of the protection. I don't recall much in the way of effect on missles; recall that the ship itself might move in the cloud, apparently without effect. Does an FTII scattergun have effect against beam weapons? Any persistence on the table? I'll admit similar concept, but pretty different in effect. I'll have to look at PP:Escorts for the mechanism used there for sand casters. The_Beast
From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:14:59 +0100
Subject: Re: [SG] weapons
Doug Evans replied to KHR: > IIRC, the sand casters' cloud also were to a degree able to absorb No and no; a scattergun is basically a claymore mine on steroids. The closest FT equivalent to the Traveller sandcaster is the Phalon Vapour Shroud. Regards,
From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:41:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [SG] weapons
Beams in this case meant laser IIRC, not Meson yada-yada-yada. Trusting to memory (gulp) as sold books eons ago. Gracias, Glenn Hx, SF, and Fx: 6 mm figures, Starships and 1:6K "Wet Navy" warships are my main interest. But I have forces in 6 through 25 mm FWIW... On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:08:58 -0600 Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> writes: > ***