[SG] SAW/HMG/LMG/GPMG/AAMG blah blah

2 posts ยท Apr 5 2002 to Apr 5 2002

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:47:52 -0500

Subject: [SG] SAW/HMG/LMG/GPMG/AAMG blah blah

My take....

1) Light SAW firing rifle ammo (C9/M240/Minimi - SG2 ESU SAW)
D8 FP, IMP D10 (rifle D10 impact too)

2) Std. SAW (LMG - NSL SAW, OUDF SAW)
D10 FP, IMP D10 (rifle impact D10 too) - greater FP, more accuracy due
to longer barrel and gyromount, higher ROF

3) Gauss LSAW (no model in mind) D10 FP, IMP D12 (higher ROF, Gauss Rifle
impact)

4) Gauss SAW (NSL alternate SAW, NI SAW) D12 FP, IMP D12

5)HMG (Battletech Kurita HMG, etc) D12 FP (or 2d8), IMP 2d6 or 2d8

6) Minigun (Gatling SAW) D12 FP D10 IMP

7) Gatling HMG (tank tribarrel) D16 FP 2d6 or 2d8

assumptions: 1) Standard rifle rounds of larger calibers hit harder than
smaller rounds, but smaller rounds penetrate further and since Impact models
Penetration and Damage in one step, they are equivalent in the game though how
they get the effect differs. Only reduced impact is for older, more
obsolescent tech. 2) FP is a combination of ROF and accuracy as well as things
like can the bullet be easily deflected, etc. HMG fires slower than the Gauss
SAW, but actually is probably more accurate fired in bursts (Gunny Hathcock
scored one of the longest sniper kills on record using a Sandbagged.50). It
also is known to be a terrifying weapon to face as rounds from it ignore a lot
of things that deflect lighter rounds.
3) In order to justify a 2d12 impact, I think a HAMR must be 15-20mm
with some special ammo. I do not believe an HMG will have equivalent impact,
though 2d6 or 2d8 are probably reasonable. HMGs should still menace PA.

Possible alterations: D6 FP for light saw (either D8 or D6 work) D10 FP for
HMG (it does fire slower than the gauss SAW) but then you should give 2d8 or
D16 impact for sure

I've found using the slimmed down SAWs makes modern OBs with 2 SAW per squad
work a bit nicer (they aren't so dominating).

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:51:53 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [SG] SAW/HMG/LMG/GPMG/AAMG blah blah

> --- Tomb <tomb@dreammechanics.com> wrote:

Depends on the ammo. The "advanced" rifles (binary propulsion, ETC, Liquip
prop, etc) or heavy rifles (7.62 NATO) would be d10, but small rounds
(7.62x39, 5.56 NATO, etc) would be d8.

> 2) Std. SAW (LMG - NSL SAW, OUDF SAW)

I take this two ways. If the weapon is rotary or whatever, then d10 FP is
fine. If it's a GPMG with an
AG like the M-240 (spelled "FN MAG" in Europe) or
somesuch then it shoots d10 FP with an AG and d8 without.

> 3) Gauss LSAW (no model in mind)

Hehehehehe...

> 5)HMG (Battletech Kurita HMG, etc)

I like Imp d12*, HMMV. But I'd also say FP d10 since they have a lower ROF.

> 6) Minigun (Gatling SAW)

Really that's more appropriate for a vehicle-mounted
rotary LMG/MMG.

> 7) Gatling HMG (tank tribarrel)

Gah!

> I've found using the slimmed down SAWs makes modern

Yeah.