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> There's an anthology called (I think) _Body Armor 2000_, or something
It's edited by Joe Haldeman, and as far as I can remember there's two more in
the series; "spacefighters" and "supertanks" (also edited by Haldeman)
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Just when I think I've got something to add, John and Donogh beat me to it.
I've got Supertanks, but never have seen Spacefighters. I'll have to keep an
eye out for it.
FYI, it's either in the forward to BA2K or Dealing in Futures, which I think
has no PA, Haldeman admits Forever War is actually a subconscious reposte to
Starship Troopers. Mark, as you are a big fan of Heinlein, consider this a bit
of forewarning.
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...
He said "It's the Fine Line Between Robert Heinlein And 'Son of the Two Headed
Fly' "
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Well, the juveniles and the his very last works, at least. Honestly, I
still hold there IS no difference 'twixt SF and Sci-FI, and feel Acky
has
had his quote taken way out of context, but that's WAY OT skiffy-talk,
and hereby apologize.
In a message dated 2/23/01 7:30:29 AM Central Standard Time,
devans@uneb.edu writes:
> FYI, it's either in the forward to BA2K or Dealing in Futures, which
I've always felt that Henlein's Starship Troopers and Joe Haldeman's Forever
War should bee the bookend books of your sci-fi military bookshelf. One
at each end to know that good ficition embraces it all. The movie of Starship
Troopers could best be used as toilet paper, however the filmstock is abrasive
and tends to chafe one's butt even when used in this fashion.
Scott
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I've always felt that Henlein's Starship Troopers and Joe Haldeman's Forever
War should bee the bookend books of your sci-fi military bookshelf. One
at each end to know that good ficition embraces it all.
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Certainly my point of view, though I've grown to find the Heinlein's style a
little grating.
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The movie of Starship Troopers could best be used as toilet paper, however the
filmstock is abrasive and tends to chafe one's butt even when used in this
fashion.
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On this, we must accept, as proven, that men of conscience and taste must
learn to agree to disagree.
Many, however, will notice that Verhoeven is one of the executive producers of
Roughnecks. Perhaps he is holding out an olive branch to those
disappointed with the film. ;->=
Any further discussion should probably go direct. Thanks!
In a message dated 2/23/01 2:09:23 PM Central Standard Time,
devans@uneb.edu writes:
> On this, we must accept, as proven, that men of conscience and taste
Amen, Brother Beast! Maybe with a reduced responsibility for and hand in
Roughnecks, the
muck-upper movie maker is leaving it to hands more in real synch with
the book.
Scott said:
> I've always felt that Henlein's Starship Troopers and Joe Haldeman's
In message <OF5BAD5730.C854C4DA-ON862569FC.006D7514@uneb.edu>
> devans@uneb.edu wrote:
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One at
> each end to know that good ficition embraces it all.
I was amused by the description in the Guardian TV schedule for when
Channel 5 showed it last week - they considered it a highly amusing spof
of 50's B-movies and Anerican War movies :-)
Other Critics seem to have decided that Mr.Verhoeven is on a
one-director crusade to subvert the American Movie industry - or
something :-)
Not being telepathic, I decline to comment ;-)
> Many, however, will notice that Verhoeven is one of the executive
Er... I think that all it means is that he holds the copyright ATM -
AFAIK 'Executive Producer' means that you're associated with the project
- but you don't actually _do_ anything :-)
Like just how much input is F.F.Copola puting into 'First Wave' (i.e.
how much is it his fault :-)
> Any further discussion should probably go direct. Thanks!
In message <8b.2ce0a0f.27c838a0@aol.com>
> Popeyesays@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/23/01 2:09:23 PM Central Standard Time,
In continuation of my previous message - AFAIK Starship Troopers
(Roughneck Chronicles) (sub-title not used on Sky) is (or was) largely
the work of Foundation Imaging (the CGI effects team for Babylon 5
seasons 1-3).
> Many, however, will notice that Verhoeven is one of the executive
Charles said:
> Er... I think that all it means is that he holds the copyright ATM -
Well, an executive producer does do something--they produce money. List
me as a producer, you get a small investment. List me as producer and Steve
Spielberg as executive, suddenly people line up to throw their money in.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:13:31 GMT, Charles Taylor
> <charles.taylor@cableol.co.uk> wrote:
> I was amused by the description in the Guardian TV schedule for when
I thought this the moment I saw Rico and another character talking in the
foreground while a group of troopers were standing in a complete circle,
firing at a bug in the middle.
I thought it was somewhat disengenuous of Verhoeven to write what was
essentially a parody of the book while people thought it was a serious
adaptation. From what I've read about him, it's unlikely that he could have
taken Heinlein's political philosophy seriously. On the other hand I figured
it wasn't serious at the time, and I had a good chuckle and came out of the
theatre entertained.
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> From what I've read about him, it's unlikely that he could have
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This continues to be totally OT, and I have begged for this go properly to
direct mailings, but I will stop to point out you are quite wrong. He
obviously takes it quite seriously, and I'd say it scares the hell out of him.
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:01:31 -0600, devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> This continues to be totally OT, and I have begged for this go properly
*L* Okay, duly noted! *L*
And, hopefully, it ends thus... *grin*