[SG] (ish) Non-lethal anti-riot gel

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/04/2046226.shtml?tid=134

I've provided the link to slashdot rather than to the article directly because
there is a second link to the military PDF worth having.

Tomb.

The topic reminds me of one of my favorite quotes. I was watching a
documentary on Non-lethal force.  The narrator mentioned a US company
that was in negotiations with the Italian Army. The narrator then made the
crack, "Some would argue that the Italian Army has ALWAYS used
non-lethal
force..."

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> At 9:10 AM -0800 3/5/02, Brian Bilderback wrote:

I doubt that Ethiopia would agree with that. Though the French and Italian
Armies do have something of a common ability when it comes to fighting other
first world powers.

> Ryan M Gill wrote:

> I doubt that Ethiopia would agree with that.

Notice I didn't use the word EXCLUSIVELY....

Though the French and
> Italian Armies do have something of a common ability when it comes to

I think that was the point. ;-)

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Italian yes, Roman no.

> Brian Bilderback wrote:

> The topic reminds me of one of my favorite quotes. I was watching a

> Michael Llaneza Wrote:

Italian yes, Roman no.

Granted Understood Assumed Well, yeah.

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> --- Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@hotmail.com> wrote:

> crack, "Some would argue that the Italian Army has

Hrm. . .

The Italian Army got more of a bad rap than it
deserved--the Alpini, Bersaglieri, and Paras fought
well. Their armored and artillery units fought valiantly but without weaponry
worth a half a tinker's damn. In some cases Italian artillery batteries fired
at British tanks until the tanks physically ran over the pieces (the Brits
lacked a decent HE round...).

On the other hand, the regular Italian line infantry was indeed very, very
bad, and it's hard to fight well without line infantry.

> John Atkinson Wrote:

> Hrm. . .

Note that these are Italian Soldiers, NOT the Italian Army. Sometimes the
whole is LESS than the sum of it's parts. Sometimes the negative parts
outnumber the positive parts. The comment can be taken as referring to the
Army as an institution, not about specific units within it.

Their armored and artillery units fought
> valiantly but without weaponry worth a half a tinker's

An artillery piece incapable of killing a tank could be, when facing tanks,
considered non-lethal force.

> On the other hand, the regular Italian line infantry

It's also hard to overcome a perception caused by a low-quality
majority, no matter how good the exceptions are. Remember, the comment was
just that, a quick comment, not an indepth analysis of the Italian Fighting
man. While it's true one shouldn't paint all of ANY country's military or
people (*ahem) with such a wide brush, it was an amusing and not ENTIRELY
unmerited comment.

Good to see you're still paying attention, though.  :-)

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> At 4:22 PM -0800 3/5/02, Brian Bilderback wrote:

Aye. And why waste ammo for your Besa or 2 pounder when you can just as easily
run over the trails of their AT Guns and Artillery.

Unfair comment. The Italian Army suffered terrible losses in WW1 and were as
good as the

French or Germans. Caeser would be surprised to hear that Italians never used
lethal force. John

> At 12:17 05/03/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Dr PJD Lambshead Head, Nematode Research Group Department of Zoology The
Natural History Museum London SW7 5BD, UK.
Tel +44 (0)20 7942 5032
Fax +44 (0)20 7942 5433

> John Lambshead Wrote:

> Unfair comment.

Perhaps a little, but not entirely unprecedented.

> The Italian Army suffered terrible losses in WW1

So did the British Army, and they seem to have recovered a lot more
quickly....

and were as good as
> the

*pause* No. I won't. J.A. Can if he wants.

or Germans.

Which Italians and which Germans, and when?

> Caeser would be surprised to hear that Italians never used lethal

Caesar would be surprised by a great many things, I think.

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> Brian Bilderback wrote:

Well that saves me from saying it:)

Jeremey

> Brian Bilderback wrote:

Pointy, dagger-shaped things in particular :-)

> Tony Francis Wrote:

> > Caesar would be surprised by a great many things, I think.

Friends, Narns, Countrymen, lend me your bats!

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On No, not the bats. Advance my nematodes, conquer, exterminate, destroy,
wriggle..........
J

> At 06:57 06/03/2002 -0800, you wrote:

Dr PJD Lambshead Head, Nematode Research Group Department of Zoology The
Natural History Museum London SW7 5BD, UK.
Tel +44 (0)20 7942 5032
Fax +44 (0)20 7942 5433

Is this a Narn I see before me?

> From: John Lambshead <pjdl@nhm.ac.uk>

> On No, not the bats. Advance my nematodes, conquer, exterminate,

You thought of it too Jeremey (or should I say Et tu Jeremey?)!

yup I think Cesear has some bigger suprises than the slighty disapointing
performance of the Italian army in World War 2 (like the USA for example, who
saw that one coming!).

Richard

> From: "Germ" <germ@germy.co.uk>

> On 6-Mar-02 at 10:51, Tony Francis (tony.francis@kuju.com) wrote:

Every time I hear this I envision a group of Narn attacking with small flying
mammals. Horrid thought, I have to wonder if the bats squeek.

> Brian Bilderback wrote:

... its bat toward my head?

> Richard Kirke Wrote:

> You thought of it too Jeremey (or should I say Et tu Jeremey?)!

Beware the Puns of March....

> yup I think Cesear has some bigger suprises than the slighty

He might also be a bit unprepared for Nuclear weapons, powered flight, and
sitcoms....

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> Roger Books wrote:

> Every time I hear this I envision a group of Narn attacking with

Not if properly lubricated.

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> You thought of it too Jeremey (or should I say Et tu Jeremey?)!

Yes but at least we didn't post what we thought. Tony was too quick off the
mark. Mind you going by his other posts today I think he is getting close to
the 'crease'

Jeremey

> On 6-Mar-02 at 11:02, Brian Bilderback (bbilderback@hotmail.com) wrote:

Too much information...

> Roger Books wrote:

What, you've never plied small animals with drinks?

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> Germ wrote:

> Brian Bilderback wrote:

A Bat Squad, A Bat Squad, My Kingdom for a Bat Squad!

(there - that's exhausted my knowledge of Shakespeare)

> From: Tony Francis <tony.francis@kuju.com>

> From: Tony Francis <tony.francis@kuju.com>

> > What, you've never plied small animals with drinks?

No, that's over-lubricated.  Just get thewm buzzed enough that they're
chatty....

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> Brian Bilderback wrote:

This gets worse - you have to get them DRUNK first ?

That is the traditional method J

> Brian Bilderback wrote:

Dr PJD Lambshead Head, Nematode Research Group Department of Zoology The
Natural History Museum London SW7 5BD, UK.
Tel +44 (0)20 7942 5032
Fax +44 (0)20 7942 5433

> > > What, you've never plied small animals with drinks?

> chatty....

I don't ever want to get so out of it that I think small animals have become
'chatty':)

Jeremey

> From: "Germ" <germ@germy.co.uk>

> I don't ever want to get so out of it that I think small animals

Don't knock it 'till you've tried it....

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From: Brian Bilderback
> Oh, for a muse of puns....

Puns are a-musing in and of themselves.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Roger Books
<books@jumpspace.net> writes:
> On 6-Mar-02 at 10:51, Tony Francis (tony.francis@kuju.com) wrote:

In space no one can hear you squeak... or squeek.

Gracias,

> --- John Lambshead <pjdl@nhm.ac.uk> wrote: