[SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

11 posts ยท Nov 18 1999 to Nov 19 1999

From: Robertson, Brendan <Brendan.Robertson@d...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:51:04 +1100

Subject: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

I'm in the middle of writing some dogfight rules at the moment and need some
help.

I'm after some valid dogfight maneuvers to include and was wondering if anyone
could help with suggestions. I currently have: VIFF (effectively air brakes)
Tight turns Evade

Any other suggestions?

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From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:03:15 +1000

Subject: Re: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

> Robertson, Brendan wrote:

> I'm after some valid dogfight maneuvers to include and was wondering

Vertical Rolling Scissors Barrel Roll Vertical Break (tight turn in vertical)
"Split S" (ie roll inverted and do a half loop down) Sideslip Unload "Retard
Defence"

With hi-technology, add

Parthian ( reverse direction so now flying (and shooting) backwards, a
sort of super-viff, slows you down something chronic)

From: Adrian Johnson <ajohnson@i...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:50:29 -0500

Subject: Re: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

There's another manoever that the super-manoeverable aircraft
(experimental
US/European and the Russian SU-27/30/33/35/etc series) demonstrate - but
I don't know what the name is. It's got to do with pointing the nose of the
aircraft in a different direction than the direction of flight, without
changing the actual flight vector. So, the aircraft can point it's nose, say,
15 deg vertically and 5 deg to the port, to get a better firing position for
missiles or guns, but not change the actual direction travelled.

> At 05:03 PM 11/18/99 +1000, you wrote:

From: Andrew Martin <Al.Bri@x...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:10:23 +1300

Subject: Re: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

> Adrian wrote:
demonstrate - but I don't know what the name is.  It's got to do with
pointing the nose of the aircraft in a different direction than the direction
of flight, without changing the actual flight vector. So, the aircraft can
point it's nose, say, 15 deg vertically and 5 deg to the port, to get a better
firing position for missiles or guns, but not change the actual direction
travelled.

I believe it's called "Super Cobra", but I could well be wrong.

From: Tim Jones <Tim.Jones@S...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:13:03 -0000

Subject: RE: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

> I currently have:

http://library.advanced.org/3142/manuv.htm

This has all the basics.

From: Tim Jones <Tim.Jones@S...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:18:52 -0000

Subject: RE: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

http://zone.msn.com/fighterace/tips/tblttipsacm.asp

Another good primer on WWII style ACM

http://cust.iamerica.net/dstar1/ACM.htm

has animations

From: Robert Makowsky <rmakowsky@y...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:18:03 -0500

Subject: Re: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

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From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:22:25 -0500

Subject: RE: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

Immelmann.
Classic maneuver named for Max Immelmann. It is basically a 1/2 loop and
with a correction at the end. Changes your direction, bleeds speed, and gives
you altitude.

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From: Michael T Miserendino <MTMiserendino@l...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 8:25:00 -0500

Subject: Re: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

> owner-gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU at internet 11/18/99 03:09AM >>>
demonstrate - but I don't know what the name is.  It's got to do with
pointing the nose of the aircraft in a different direction than the direction
of flight, without changing the actual flight vector. So, the aircraft can
point it's nose, say, 15 deg vertically and 5 deg to the port, to get a better
firing position for missiles or guns, but not change the actual direction
travelled.

> I believe it's called "Super Cobra", but I could well be wrong.

I think that refers to the display maneuver where the aircraft uses only its
thrust to hover above ground with its fuselage aligned vertically. Very

impressive for a non-VTOL aircraft.

Mike

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:30:08 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Michael T Miserendino wrote:

> > I believe it's called "Super Cobra", but I could well be wrong.
Very
> impressive for a non-VTOL aircraft.

Very impressive, and very bad if you get an engine un-start.

From: Robertson, Brendan <Brendan.Robertson@d...>

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:19:08 +1100

Subject: RE: [SG/DS] Fighter manoeuvres

Thanks, everyone. I've added a few more maneuvers which couldn't be covered by
normal move actions.

Neath Southern Skies - http://users.mcmedia.com.au/~denian/
[mkw] Admiral Peter Rollins; Task Force Zulu

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