Thought I'd give SG a shot at 15mm, I'm thinking that the simple conversion
would be from inches to centimeters. I was wondering if anyone had any
suggestions as to terrain, specifically buildings. Are there any manufactures
which make them, any tips for scratch building them? Finally, I figure 25mm
equates roughly to
1/72nd
modeler's scale. What would be the equivalent for 15mm,
1/144th? In exchange for any info I offer the following ;) a new
release of
sci-fi 15mm announced, see . . .
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/?id=829736
> Aron_Clark@digidesign.com wrote:
Hmmmm, last time I checked, my 25mm stuff didn't scale very well with my
1/72 models. The closest I have to 25mm in models are 1/48 aircraft. In
my mind's eye I think 15mm scales better to 1/72. But someone else may
be a better judge (at least until I can find some time to compare my
1/72
with some 15mm ;-)
Mk
> At 01:38 PM 2/22/2000 -0800, you wrote:
Actually, modern 25mm is closer to 1/62 or 1/64 than it is to 1/72. The
model railroading HO scale is 1/87, and that roughly equates to 18mm
right now.
Here's the current standard ref page for scale conversions:
http://www.theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html
> Actually, modern 25mm is closer to 1/62 or 1/64 than it is to 1/72.
The
> model railroading HO scale is 1/87, and that roughly equates to 18mm
I wish there were a better standard for these scales. :-/
My 1/48 Russian helo seems to be too small compared to my '28mm'
GW figs, and just about right for my GZG 25mm troops (just about; the interior
is....tight; but the pilots are almost the same size).
<sigh> Well, my figs don't quite match what the table gives. :-/
Mk
> At 05:12 PM 2/22/2000 -0500, you wrote:
The
> model railroading HO scale is 1/87, and that roughly equates to 18mm
Well, first of all you have to realize that "25mm" is NOT a "scale". It is a
rough measurement, nothing more. Old Glory 25mm are not the same "scale" as
Foundry minis, and they both differ from GZG figs. While most manufacturers
try and get *close* to what the other companies to in terms of size, the
"millimeter scales" are not actual scale in the same manner that the kit
models and model railroad scales are. In fact, the model
railroad "scales" are not technically scales either - they are *gauges*
that have been standardized into specific ratio scales for compatibility.
> My 1/48 Russian helo seems to be too small compared to my '28mm'
Considering that GW still lists their stuff as "25mm" when they are closer to
30mm, this doesn't surprise me a bit. There has been a general "scale creep"
in the millimeter scales over the years. The Ral Partha fantasy figs that I
bought back in the mid 1970's are much smaller than the current 25mm models.
The manufacturers also exagerate the girth of most of the
models; take a look at some of the plastic 1/72 or HO (1/87) figures -
they are very "spindly" compared to the pewter figs that we're used to working
with in wargames.
Bottom line - use what looks good when trying to match the "millimeter
scale" figures to any of the plastic model/railroad scales, because
there is certainly *NO* "standard conversion formula" that works across
multiple manufacturers.
I've been tempted to use that Puz-3D stuff. You could probably cover
a decent sized table for $100. Plus it'd be fun for the kids or maybe wife.
:)
I have yet to see a building or tree be in scale with the standard 25mm
models. I'd think any terrain you currently use for your 25mm would probably
be closer to being in scale with the 15mm than it is for the 25mm.
Horizontally if not vertically.
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 Aron_Clark@digidesign.com wrote:
> Thought I'd give SG a shot at 15mm, I'm thinking that the simple
> At 01:38 PM 2/22/2000 -0800, you wrote:
The
> model railroading HO scale is 1/87, and that roughly equates to 18mm
The 15mm Command Decision (historical) stuff is quoted as being 1/100,
which I reckon is pretty close for 15mm in general.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:36:50 +0000, Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com>
wrote:
> The 15mm Command Decision (historical) stuff is quoted as being 1/100,
For my 15mm games, I'm using Roco Minitanks. I used Marders with the treads on
them as APCs and kitbashed Marders (these are the Bundeswehr Marders) and
latest mark Leopard IIs for grav APCs and grav tanks respectively. There are
1/87 vehicles but do NOT look bad beside 15mm figures. Close enough for
government work...
For a 1920s game I have, I picked up some scale 1/64 trucks and cars and
they fit RAFMs 25mm Call of Cthulhu figures almost perfectly.
HO figures (1/87 scale, but Airfix and Matchbox used to claim 1/72 and
1/76
scale figures were HO as well) is usually roughly equated to 20mm.
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:38:46 -0800, Aron_Clark@digidesign.com wrote:
> Thought I'd give SG a shot at 15mm, I'm thinking that the simple
Check out some modeling companies. There are a couple that do resin and
plaster ruins for dioramas in HO scale. They are good for ruined buildings.
For unruined buildings... well, there aren't an awful lot. Some of the
Armorcast stuff, like their cathedral, in 28mm would work in 15mm.
Otherwise scratch build. I use foamboard (or foamcore, basically plastic foam
board sandwiched between two thin sheets of styrene or plasticized bristol
board). If you look, you can find foam board with black foam. This stuff cuts
well and glues with model glue. I'm sure others can give specifics for making
foam core buildings and making them look good. The GW terrain book has some
good tips.
> Allan Goodall wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:36:50 +0000, Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com>
wrote:
> >The 15mm Command Decision (historical) stuff is quoted as being
and
> latest mark Leopard IIs for grav APCs and grav tanks respectively.
There are
> 1/87 vehicles but do NOT look bad beside 15mm figures. Close enough
My 15mm Tabletop Games marines ride to battle in a huge fleet of converted
Matchbox Humber armoured cars (a toy shop near where I used to work sold them
off
at 50p each - so I bought about thirty). I've built APCs, mortar
carriers, a flamethrower carrier, an ambulance, command version (fitted with
the frame aerial
off an early-war German armoured car), support versions (a bit like the
short 75mm carrying Hanomags) and even a bridgelayer! Their heavy armour
consists of several
converted Roco Bradleys with beefed-up main armament and add-on armour.
Air
support is a 1/144 stealth plane (the inaccurate curvy F-19) and a
heavily
converted 1/144th Mi-28 Havoc (rotors removed and wings added from the
tail of a
1/72nd A-7 Corsair). The Orbital Insertion company travels in Imai
Eagles (bought before they shot up in price).
Their Redemptionist Rebel opposition (Tabletop Games Laserburn again) have two
or three APCs (Roco 50's era German Spz12s) and a couple of tracked tank
hunters (Roco Jaeger Kanone, with armament replaced by guns from old plastic
GW titans).
Still considering the options of playing SG at 15mm, and getting pretty jazzed
about the whole idea. What I find so attractive is the idea that I could
theoretically play a SG game on 4x6 table which would be equivalent to 5.5x8.5
(!) table at the 15mm scale. Why is that such a big deal? More play space on
the same surface area, coupled with the fact that I could actually paint,
field, and afford company strength deployments. This of course would require
the MU
[measured units] to be reduced to the 15mm scale, which I don't see as a
problem. The way I figure, a standard ruler would need to be reduced by 40% to
provide the equivalent MU for 15mm as in 25mm.
Am I off my rocker or does this seem to be a reasonable conclusion?
I bought some Heavy Gear infantry blisters. $8US for 20 figures is not
bad. They're also more detailed than a lot of 25-30mm models I've seen.
Nice variety on weapons, decent uniforms. I'm not sure what size they are, but
they look about half the height of a 'normal' model. I'm not really looking
forward to painting them though.:)
A centimeter is about half the size of an inch, which is good for models that
are half pints.:) Personally I'd keep weapon bands in inches and take movement
down to centimeters. But that might change the game more than you'd want.
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 Aron_Clark@digidesign.com wrote:
> Still considering the options of playing SG at 15mm, and getting
> At 11:05 PM 2/25/00 -0500, you wrote:
The old RAFM Heavy Gear figures are nominally HO scale or 1/87, although
most of them are closer to 1/92. This scales out to about 18mm for the
infantry figures.
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:08:13 -0800, Aron_Clark@digidesign.com wrote:
> What I find so attractive is the idea that I could
I play most of my 15mm and 25mm games on a 4 x 6 board. The scenario I'm
playtesting for GenCon right now is played across the shorter board axis. With
only 3.5 hours of play time, this works fine. But, yes, for a company sized
game I'd want to be able to change the scale.
One way is to use centimetres instead of inches.
Another option is to simply half the range. 1" = 1/2" on the board.