Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

11 posts ยท Mar 21 2002 to Mar 26 2002

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:35:31 -0500

Subject: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

John A. said: Nonsense. I've won scenarios with scout platoons. Or at least,
decisively engaged the enemy with indirect fire and caused so much damage that
he spent a LOT of effort tracking down the scouts, which caused him to loose
the game.

[Tomb] Funny similar example. Iraqis in
Gulf War dug in in coastal town. Water
along one long board edge. Mines, T-72s,
BMPs, lots of infantry, mortars. US and UK
attacking - Challengers, M1A1, Bradleys,
etc. (At least 2:1 numercial plus tacair and arty).

Iraqi player puts up fake minefield signs and little sand lumps all over.
Totally fakes out US advance (no engineers accompanying apparently... nor
intel....). So the Yanks go for a wide swing into one end of town (take a
flank). Cram their WHOLE force down this narrow alley. Send an apache or some
other sort of chopper into town (oops, say hello to SAMs... boom).

Iraqi player has one little observer unit with a 105mm RR on the hill at that
end of town. No infantry. Fires at a Bradley. Light damage. The US player
debarks an entire infantry platoon plus an armoured platoon and conducts a
hasty attack upon the hill thinking it is loaded with enemy infantry.
Meanwhile the Iraqi player is calling in some off board fire support and
lining up his tanks for flank shots at the almost parked US attack lane while
they wait painfully for the US attack on this hill to locate the (obviously
well hidden) Iraqi infantry and mines.... whereas the spotters and their jeep
just burrow down to dodge fire from 4 tanks, 4 bradleys, and 8 stands of
infantry....

Now, this was quite a few years back and the players made (in some sense) a
credible assumption that the Iraqi defender would have defended this
location.... but he stopped his entire attack to overrun this one hilltop....
and that let the Iraqi player play Hobb with his parked armoured formation.
Won the battle on the hilltop, lost the battle for the town....

HTML:
Chen-song, could you (if possible) disable
your HTML on list mails? It is really doing
_ugly_ things to the digests. Thanks.

Drones:
I see they now have a pie-plate sized unit
controlled by a wrist computer and flown via a thin optical fiber. Short range
(couple of hundred meters) but lets infantry squads look over hilltops,
buildings, around corners, into caves, etc. Very cool. I'm trying to think of
how to do this justice in SG2 but haven't quite got it figured yet.

Molotovs and Satchel Charges for SG2: Molotov... I'd give these D6 impact.
Range short only. They might work versus a normal vehicle, mostly just annoy a
tank unless they get a very lucky hit in.
Satchel Charges - I'd give them (note, at
Oerjan's guidance I know give my IAVRs this) 3d12* impact. Some of the new
satchel charges (large, tis true) are killing Merkavas now. Short range only.
Or maybe even you have to do some sort of close assault to place one. Give the
tank gunner a chance to mow you down.

Cross Cultural Wierdness: Sitting in a local Scots Pub on St.Andrews day. Used
to seeing fairskinned folk a
plenty, mostly fair or red-haired. Piper
shows up (like me, dressed in the good black jacket, the high collar white
shirt, and a lovely kilt and sporan) and is a very dark black skinned gent
with a brilliant white mop of thick curly hair. Had quite a Scots accent too
as I think he hailed from Glasgow. Now, as Alan said, this kind of thing
shoudn't be all that surprising... but it was nonetheless. Nice guy, I bought
him a single malt... that lad could pipe!

And lastly, you lot have made me decide I must now rent (and possibly later
buy) Iron Giant.... I hope you're happy.....;)

From: Chen-Song Qin <cqin@e...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:06:29 -0700

Subject: RE: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

Sorry Tom, I didn't know I was sending out HTML messages via Outlook. How does
this one look? Does it still have attachments?

From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:34:43 +1100

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

> At 12:35 21/03/02 -0500, Tom wrote:

All you have to do now is get hold of a fan-subbed copy of "Read Or Die"

and you'll be set;)

Cheers

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:48:03 -0800

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

> You wrote:

> Cross Cultural Wierdness:

Good for you. Had a piper at my wedding, a surprise gift from my bride.

> And lastly, you lot have made me decide I

Oh, we are.  And so will you be.  :-)

3B^2

From: John Crimmins <johncrim@v...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:02:10 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:48:03 -0800, "Brian Bilderback"
<bbilderback@hotmail.com> wrote:

> You wrote:

At a friend's wedding last year we were treated to a rendition of "Have
Nagila" played on bagpipes. Highlight of the ceremony, I thought.

From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:02:19 +0100

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

> TomB wrote:

> Molotovs and Satchel Charges for SG2:
[...]
> this) 3d12* impact. Some of the new satchel charges (large, tis true)
are
> killing

Er... no. The Merkavas were destroyed by command-detonated charges
consisting of fifty-some kilograms of high explosives dug into the road.

A 50kg charge dug into the road is not a "satchel charge"..

Later,

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:26:45 -0800

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:

> A 50kg charge dug into the road is not a "satchel charge"..

If it _*IS*_, I sure as hell don't want to meet the guy who can carry
THAT
satchel. ;-)

3B^2

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:36:10 -0800

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

Sounds like a job for Power Armor.

the guy who can throw that charge onto the rear deck of a tank is scarier
still.

> Brian Bilderback wrote:

> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:42:24 -0500

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

> At 8:02 PM +0100 3/21/02, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:

And it will kill just about anything that is over it when the charge is
detonated.

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:06:09 -0800

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

This looks good to Mozilla's mail client, no html at all in the message
source.

Anybody getting the digest and able to comment?

> Chen-song Qin wrote:

> Sorry Tom, I didn't know I was sending out HTML messages via Outlook.
How does this one look? Does it still have attachments?
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From: Ray Forsythe <erf2@g...>

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:36:12 -0500

Subject: Re: Scouts/Spotters, HTML, Drones and odd cross cultural experiences

> Thomas Barclay wrote:

> Drones:

Well, the EW spotting rules as written already seem to cover this. The unit is
assumed to be using recon drons and other sources to ID enemy units.