Using Dean's conversions for Star Wars from the Sci-Fi Crossover and
some Star Wars micromachines, I managed to convince a friend to try
Full-Thrust!
Much mayhem followed. The basic battle was 2 light star destroyers vs 2
blockaid runners, a rebel escort destroyer, 2 Mon Calmari ships plus fighters,
4 sets of ties vs 6 sets of x-wings.
Mistakes were made, by both the players and in me teaching the rules. But it
was a real fun time and we may get another convert to FT.
And a very big THANK YOU to Dean for his conversions. They really helped
interest my friend and others in learning to play.
Lessions learned: Fighters suck. Left alone they will chew up and spit out
ships without good
anti-fighter defenses.
If you don't have equal fighters take care in where you fight it out fighter
to fighter. My x-wings were going after the tie fighters. My friend
chose to have his ties screen the star destroyers instead of coming out away
from the star destroyers to battle. So right after dispatching the ties, the
x-wing
s went right to work on the star destroyers. He should have pushed the fighter
battle out away and delayed the x-wings attack.
Have a quick reference ready for all players. Including the right way to turn
moving ships. Some moves had to be rechecked due to confusion.
Don't try and play and teach at the same time, unless you're real experienced.
Dean can do it, but I'm not there yet.
> Mike Stanczyk wrote:
> Lessions learned:
I suspect most players would probably say that being able to chew up and spit
out targets without enough defences is the direct opposite of
"suck", but maybe that's just me :-/
But yes, if you don't use the fighter morale rules from More Thrust then
fighters are underpriced.
Regards,
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
> Mike Stanczyk wrote:
Well, they suck as in: "Sucks to be you." ;-)
> But yes, if you don't use the fighter morale rules from More Thrust
We didn't use the morale rules because I wasn't sure how to apply them to a
Star Wars game. The setup suggested that the rebels were sending desperate
pilots. Should have used a modifer on the morale check. Live and learn.
> --- Mike Stanczyk <stanczyk@pcisys.net> wrote:
...
> We didn't use the morale rules because I wasn't sure
I have been trying to devise rules for
most of the standard popular sci-fi shows,
Starwars, B5, BG, ect.. Tie fighters are scrapings off the bottom of the
barrel, as far a capability goes.
Bye for now,
[quoted original message omitted]
Yes, but in a campaign, they'd be dirt cheap, and they are as
maneuvarable(sp?) as hell. shogakusha
There is only one objective truth, I experience now. However, do not let his
lead you to believe that because all other truths are subjective, that they
are false. Rather accept that they are as real as the world outside of your
mind, entirely unknowable, completely unprovable.
[quoted original message omitted]
Perer, I'll see your.02 and raise.02! (Bits have been cut out but I have tried
to retain the message.)
> From: John Leary <john_t_leary@yahoo.com>
...
> > Tie fighters are scrapings off the bottom
XXX Another point of view; Perhaps they were aware of what a jolly guy the
'Dark Lord' really was. With this in mind, they might have decided to persue
the freighter because failure was not an option. XXX
> Also, that revisionist Lucas only
XXX Actually the Empire has a much better press agent and propaganda service
than the component
nation/states. I consider the Empire to be a
space going mafia, able to extort from the
planets/systems protection money/goods.
Reasonably speaking, if the Empire had such tight control of all the systems,
it would not have been
possible for the Mon-Cal to have built/modified
(not less than) 6 starcruisers. The combat ability of the tie fighter is
demonstrated during the attack on the Deathstar. The deathstar carried 600 tie
fighters (some say more). If we are kind and say the 600 ties are divided into
6 defensive areas (to conform the the
FB2 zones). The 32 attacking rebel fighters had
to fight thru 100 fighters in the selected attack zone. The reble fighters
divided into two groups,
23 'top cover' and 9 'attack' fighters. The
23 top cover fighters were able to disable/destroy
94 of the ties by the time they were destroyed. (Thats more than 4 to 1
advantage to the ties!!) In FT game terms, the rebel fighters are double
screened (or heavy and screened), FTL capable, attack capable, torpedo
capable, and very likely the rebel Sq. are led by an ace and the empire Sq.
are green (turkeys). In dice rolling trials, the ties need to be able to hit
only on a 6 and the rebel fighters require two hits to kill. This comment
conforms to the 100 to 23 example above. XXX
> It was the political system that was really at fault
;-)
By for now,
> --- shogakusha <shogakusha@geotec.net> wrote:
Actually the movies show that the ties
do not maneuver well at all. The persuit
of the falcon in the asteroid belt and the big battle in ROTJ where the tie
runs into
the Mon-Cal cruiser show the limited turning
ability of the tie.
Bye for now,
> John Leary in a fit of delerium wrote:
Right, just my point! As DEPICTED it would seem that Gramps was some evil,
lightning bolt casting demon. In real life he was a kindly old man. As
depicted the fight shows 100 TIEs vs. 23 X-Wings. In reality the fight
was much closer in force numbers. Again, Lucas is a Revisionist and has
twisted the facts to fit his world view. I think Al Gore took some pointers
from him... ahem.
Remember, this is the same guy who spends 14 seconds longer showing the death
of a single fricking Ewock than the death of thousands of loyal starship crew
members aboard the "Death Star."
This is the same guy that wants us to believe you can "torture" robots by hot
branding their pods (feet?) and that Ewoks acheived the science of
flight using ash wood and gut to make gliders/ornithopters.
G'day guys,
> Remember, this is the same guy who spends 14 seconds
Remember it was written for 6-8 year olds (many of whom think just like
that) ;)
I know most adults can't stand episode 1 but all the kids I know who are
less than 10 loved it (particularly Jar-Jar). Come to think of it how
old were we all when the originals came out??;)
Just a thought
Beth
***
Come to think of it how old were we all when the originals came out??;)
***
Don't go here; I remember original broadcasts of Outer Limits and Twilight
Zones(original), though, I was a Jet Jackson, not the original Capt. Midnite,
fan.
The_Beast
-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon
One World, one Web, one Program - Microsoft promotional ad
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - Adolf Hitler
Beth asked:
> Come to think of it how old were we all when the originals came out??
;)
I was 3. I saw it in the theatres and had little enough clue of what was going
on that, when I had a dream one night that Luke actually engaged Darth Vader
in a lightsaber duel with a yellow saber, I mixed it up with the actual movie
and believed that there was a scene there where it happened that had been cut
out of the books. Will dirty childhood secrets never cease?
:)
Beth Fulton said
> Remember it was written for 6-8 year olds (many of whom think just
Oh dear Beth,.. Under your terms of reference the original certainly wasn't
written for me. I was on my second house and third job by then...heheheheh for
my sins I have to say i loved it....<hangs head in shame>
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:31:16 -0600, devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> Don't go here; I remember original broadcasts of Outer Limits and
I remember original Twilight Zone and Star Trek episodes, but I was very
young. *L*
I was 14 when Star Wars came out. I remember seeing it 6 times that summer. I
loved it. I watched again a few years ago and couldn't believe how stinky it
is, from a writing standpoint. I had problems with "Empire" (there are lots of
gaffs, like travelling to another star system without FTL) but I came later to
realize it was the best of the movies. I hated Lucas' revisionism, though he
did make Jedi's ending a little more palatable.
G'day Bob,
> Oh dear Beth,.. Under your terms
Oh I wouldn't sweat you were obviously into your second childhood by then so
of course it appealed;)
Have fun
Beth
On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:14:41 +1100 Beth Fulton
> <beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au> writes:
It's a Civil War (War Between the SAtates for the Southern Revisionists) and
everybody is a bad guy to the other side,,,
<snip>
> Remember it was written for 6-8 year olds (many of whom think just
I was born in 1950 and watched all three on 'big screen' (Drive-in
Theater for one, IIRC) and enjoyed the trio. Haven't seen #1 and don't plan to
go. Just doesn't 'feel' right based on what I've seen on previews and heard
from others who went.
> Just a thought
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Beth Fulton wrote:
> less than 10 loved it (particularly Jar-Jar). Come to think of it how
14 or 15, don't quite remember. I DO remember reading the book
before I ever even HEARD of the movie! (was on a 9-day geology
field trip around Ohio and my science teacher asked what I was reading, then
told me it was being made into a movie when I showed him the cover of the
book). Still have said book. Didn't fully understand the cover art before the
movie (thought Vader's
mask/headpiece was some sort of temple Luke and the droids were
standing in front of; never made the connection 'til I saw the movie)
G'day guys,
> I was born in 1950 and watched all three on 'big screen' (Drive-in
I wouldn't skip just on other people's say so I enjoyed it purely for the
scene where the Gungans (or however you spell it) fight the Droids...
wonderful to see a Napoleonic army facing an ancient one... wargamer's dream;)
Cheers
Beth
17, and I had bought Traveller that day. BattleStar Galactica premiered while
I was in Basic Training. I remember watching Lost In Space as first run prime
time. And Fireball XL-5 on Saturday morning.
Michael Brown
[quoted original message omitted]
Oh, you youngsters! If some of the cells are still functioning today; Why I
remember walking to school...
Sorry, wrong old line.
Why I remember watching, 'The Prisoner' first run.
> --- Michael Brown <mwbrown@veriomail.com> wrote:
> G'day guys,
Beth said
> I wouldn't skip just on other people's say so I enjoyed it purely
wargamer's dream;)
I thought the battle scene was taken from the recent film about William
Wallace.
> Glenn m wilson wrote:
> If she's "going on 21", she's rapidly approaching the age where she
Always the problem with slang expressions, isn't it... don't expect
people with a different first language to understand them :-/
Regards,
Oerjan Ohlson oerjan.ohlson@telia.com
"Life is like a sewer. What you get out of it, depends on what you put into
it."
- Hen3ry
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There is some debate as to whether or not Pluto is a planet, and an object
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I would argue about the huge disparity between the NAC and the ESU. In all
probability, it would be more like NAC 25
ESU 15-19
The NAC is going to have a larger navy, but not by that much
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From: "John Leary" <john_t_leary@yahoo.com>
> > From: "Morgan Vening" <morgan@optushome.com.au>
I can give some data for the OUDF:
Fast FFs - named after Racehorses
e.g Phar Lap, Gunsynd
Fast FFs (Torpedo armed) - named after venomous creatures.
e.g. Krait, Funnelweb
Patrol Vessels (Super Destroyers) named after Ports if regular forces, rivers
if paramilitary. e.g. Freemantle (Port), Fly(River)
Light Cruisers
Australian/NZ or South Pacific words beginning in "N"
e.g. NullaNulla (Aboriginal Weapon), Nerandera (Town in NSW), Nandi (Capital
of Fiji)
Heavy Cruisers Words beginning with T or K, depending on class. e.g. Tuvalu
(Capital of Kiribathi), Tahiti, Tarawa, Kiribathi (Micronesian State)
Light Carriers Words beginning with R or W, depending on class. e.g. Rotorua,
Wollongong
Exceptions:(Mass) Anzac Class (24) Partial Streamlining for landings Keppel
Class (44) Stealth SpecOps ship Luisade Class (48) Chasseur (Speed 8 Pursuit
vessel) Sydney Class (64) Escort (PDS galore!) Solomon Class (84) Fast CA
Auckland Class (90) Old, Fast CA/BC
Kosciusko Class (90) eggshell carrier
Canberra-II Class (134) close-range brawler
Have a look at
http://www.warpfish.com/jhan/ft/Archive/2000/feb00/msg01527.html
which gives designs for all but the Frigates - and these are in the Ship
Registry.
The Exceptions listed above are on Brendan Robertson's page.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/ft/oufleet.htm