Scale of Stargrunt

25mm

> -----Original Message-----

Excerpts from mail: 1-Nov-99 Scale of Stargrunt by Brian Quirt@mta.ca
> This is just an idle question. Approximately what scale is Stargrunt

Well, the book suggests 25mm but says it works fine with 15mm; and I know
people who play it in 6mm (since each figure is on a 1" base that's supposed
to represent 10m, 6mm figures match the ground scale). Force
sizes range from a couple squads (4-10 men each) to a couple of platoons
(~4 squads each).

> From a modelers prespective it comes close to 1:72.

Brian Quirt <baqrt@mta.ca> on 11/01/99 04:48:57 PM

Please respond to gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU

To:   gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU

> This is just an idle question. Approximately what scale is Stargrunt

It's designed for 25mm or 15mm figures, though you can use other scales if you
wish (20mm, 12mm, 10mm etc.).

I love it, let us know how it all turns out. Actually that's a pretty good
idea, has anyone else thought of using maps or drawing of real locations for
their SG / DS games?  I'll have to keep that in mind.

> I'm essentially trying to set up a (reasonably) true-to-scale assault

Excerpts from mail: 1-Nov-99 Re: Scale of Stargrunt by Brian
Quirt@mta.ca
> That's about what I was looking for, thanks. I'm essentially trying to

Should we be worried?:P

Actually, I had the same thought except doing it with Dirtside....then I came
to my senses.

As I said, while the figure scale is variable (25mm, 15mm, etc.), the ground
scale is set at 1"=10m, so you'll probably want to go with that for a
modelling scale. That sort of thing is always tricky.

When I was in college we ran Car Wars in downtown Savannah Georgia all around
the campus of the Savannah College of Art and Design..

> -----Original Message-----

This is just an idle question. Approximately what scale is Stargrunt in? I
know that Dirtside is 1:300 scale, but what about Stargrunt? Forgive me if
this has been done to death, and I don't need hard fast numbers, just a
general ballpark figure.

Thanks for any help,

> At 7:40 PM -0500 11/1/99, Steven M Goode wrote:

No, but the school administration would not take kindly to it (shades of
Columbine) if they find out.

> Actually, I had the same thought except doing it with Dirtside....then

I've got my old home town and county (Sonoma, CA) in the USGS map series. The
full county map is 1cm to the km and would make a great Striker map, or
anything else with high flying grav tanks. Then theres the assault on San
Francisco scenario...

Excerpts from mail: 1-Nov-99 Re: Scale of Stargrunt by Michael
Llaneza@flash.ne
> I've got my old home town and county (Sonoma, CA) in the USGS map

If you're going to assault a Californian city, make it Los Angeles. I'd *much*
rather see a miniature LA burn than a miniature SF (I'm from Oakland, across
the bay from SF). Although the Transamerica pyramid
*does* look kind of sci-fi....

> >From a modelers prespective it comes close to 1:72.

That's about what I was looking for, thanks. I'm essentially trying to
set up a (reasonably) true-to-scale assault on the central campus of my
university, and I'm busy converting the map into measurements....

Of course, I could always try running this with FMA...I imagine a
company-size operation could take a full weekend (and many cases of
beer....)

> No, but the school administration would not take kindly to it (shades
In fact isnt there some kids now in juvenile hall for such a thing???

In a message dated 11/1/99 4:36:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
baqrt@mta.ca writes:

> That's about what I was looking for, thanks. I'm essentially trying to

Hmm, interesting, as long as you're not going to use the results to do
something bad.

> Of course, I could always try running this with FMA...I imagine a

What does FMA stand for?
-Stephen

In a message dated 11/1/99 5:00:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> maserati@flash.net writes:

> I've got my old home town and county (Sonoma, CA) in the USGS map

I've seen the name before, but what is Striker?
-Stephen

> At 11:56 PM 11/1/99 EST, you wrote:

"Full Metal Anorak", the GZG skirmish rules.

> At 11:58 PM 11/1/99 EST, you wrote:

Striker was a minature SF wargame set in the Traveller universe. The most
recent iteration of this (to my knowledge) was Striker II which GDW released
not too long before they went *phfft*.

In a message dated 11/1/99 4:41:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> Aron_Clark@digidesign.com writes:

> I love it, let us know how it all turns out. Actually that's a pretty

I worked out a DS scale (sort of) map of were I live, interesting to look at,
I may add. Does anyone have a terrain generation system for small scale

areas?
-Stephen

> At 11:58 PM -0500 11/1/99, DracSpy@aol.com wrote:

Striker is the set of miniatures rules for Traveller. Two editions, both
interesting but still only Nice Try's due to various reasons.

SG Ground scale is @1:300 (1"=10m) DS Ground scale is @1:3000 (1"=100m)

Full Metal Anorak (in Joke)

Michael Brown

[quoted original message omitted]

In a message dated 11/1/99 9:53:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> mwbrown@veriomail.com writes:

> Full Metal Anorak (in Joke)

What is an Anorak?
-Stephen

> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Brian Quirt wrote:

> This is just an idle question. Approximately what scale is Stargrunt

Well, ground scale is 1"= 10 meters, which is actually around 1/300
scale again. Use 6mm scale figures and SG2 rules, and you'll have no
figure-ground scale gap!

I use 15mm figures, which work out around 1/100 scale or so. This is
cool,
because 1/72 or 1/87 scale vehicles work as big ones, and 1/144 scale
aircraft work as slightly-underscale aerospace or VTOLs.

I've no idea what 25mm works out to - about 1/60, I think. Don't quote
me, though.

> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 Aron_Clark@digidesign.com wrote:

> I love it, let us know how it all turns out. Actually that's a pretty

If you want really, really detailed maps of small areas - SG2 or FMA
size
- contact your local orienteering club. These are the people who run
around in the woods (and other places) finding flags using clues and really
detailed maps.

They start with basic gov't maps, then go out and resurvey an area and add all
the little details. Really great if you want a real (or just
realistic) setting for a small-unit action.

Even better, go out and run the orienteering course - you'll get actual
exercise and get to see what the terrain looks like for real before
re-doing it on tabletop!

The local club does events in lots of the local parks - urban & wild -
and even odd places like the university campus...

> Brian Burger wrote:

> I use 15mm figures, which work out around 1/100 scale or so.

    I calculate it at 1/107.  Close enough. <g>

> I've no idea what 25mm works out to - about 1/60, I think. Don't quote

    1/64, but again, close enough. <g>

> At 01:01 AM 11/2/99 EST, you wrote:

An anorak is a type of overcoat or jacket. The joke is dual-natured;
first the obvious pun on the Stanley Kubrick film Full Metal Jacket. Second,
British wargamers (at least the odder types) are typified as
anorak-wearers. See More Thrust, p. 35, first sentence under The Humor
Element: "Some players take their gaming far too seriously (especially the
ones in the brown anoraks...)."

That's the basics. The anorak-wearers on the list can doubtless
elucidate
you more. >^_^<

> > That's about what I was looking for, thanks. I'm essentially trying

If I can get together a company of troops with rifles, heavy weapons, and
mechanized support, I probably won't use it to attack my university. That, I
think, is the main reason the admin isn't reacting badly to the plan. I
introduced a quick alternate history involving a civil war between a separate
Quebec and the rest of Canada (which is at least possible, considering that a)
the last referendum was VERY close, b) some northern parts of Quebec have
announced an intent to separate FROM
Quebec and re-join Canada if Quebec separates, c) Quebec has officially
stated that while Quebec can secede from Canada unilaterally, parts of Quebec
may NOT secede from Quebec without the permission of the Quebec government d)
the Quebec government sent letters to Canadian Forces Bases in Quebec before
the last referendum asking them to join Quebec if it separated).

Anyway, the administration didn't see a simulated confrontation between Quebec
and Canadian militaries, with students caught in the middle (playing much the
same role that reporters normally play) as something which was likely to
happen anytime soon....

> > Of course, I could always try running this with FMA...I imagine a

As said before, "Full Metal Anorak." I suppose that I was REALLY referring to
the product currenltly (as far as I know) named "FMA
Skirmish," which involves individual soldiers (and a TRUE 25mm scale-
1:60). I was just imagining ~20 university students fighting a
company-sized action man to man over a weekend....

As for letting people know how it goes, it probably won't happen until January
or February. I still have to build the scale buildings (and maybe grab some
6mm figures if I can find any anywhere), and that's probably going to take
awhile, even at 1:300.

> What is an Anorak?

Very common british slang for an obsessive/boring person also
know as a train spotter/geek/nerd. Derivation of the term is based on
the Danish
eskimo/inuit name for pullover hooded jacket long enough to cover the
hips The UK variant being made of cotton or polyester) which was an unofficial
uniform
amongst such types in the 1970-80's, though rarely seen in the wild
today being superceeded by gortex jackets and fleeces. The anorak is also
psynonymous with the parka which is a similar jacket with Russian derivation,
though the modern variant has a zip at the front.

so it has two meanings:

you are a 'wargames' anorak (you are a boring obsessive about wargames) your
anoraks brown (you are wearing a brown unfashionable jacket)

I last wore an anorak/parka in 1977 - it was green with a red hood
lining and had rabbit fur around the collar.

The use in FMA I think ironically uses both meanings, derived from kubricks
film so it refers to the coat as a jacket but also gently (mary) poking fun at
wargamer obsessives who play the FMA game itself

> At 11:58 PM 11/1/99 EST, you wrote:

GDWs miniature rules for ground combat in the Traveller universe.