Hi Dawgie,
> is there anyone here on this list, that really believes, rules or no
Of course not. But it wasn't a question of whether or not the grunts will
*know* about the hit, but what the rules say about what they do about it? Tom
was asking what happens to the squad if the IFV crew bails.
In the specific example that started the thread, the vehicle in question (an
APC) sucked a guided missile which did not penetrate the armour, and hence
there were no casualties to the occupants. Using the "non penetrating hits on
vehicles" rules, it was determined that the vehicle
(a
GEV) suffered an "immobilization" - the lift fans were damaged, or
whatever. That result forces an immediate Confidence test for the crew to
avoid bailing. The crew failed, and jumped out, even though the *only* game
effect damage to the vehicle was that it stopped moving. At the time, the
vehicle was carrying a squad of infantry. I believe what happened was that the
crew failed its test, but the infantry squad passed theirs, and stayed in the
vehicle. The rules say that the occupants, including passengers "if
appropriate", have to make the Confidence test.
We were wondering if the squad would automatically jump out if the crew did,
and whether the Confidence tests should be separate, or whatever. If separate,
then it would make sense that the crew bailing should have an effect on the
difficulty of the test the squad should make. As someone else pointed out, if
the squad sees the vehicle crew jump, it's going to motivate them to do the
same thing. If the tests are NOT separate, then
whose leadership/quality do you use to test the morale - the crew or the
squad?
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We were wondering if the squad would automatically jump out if the crew did,
and whether the Confidence tests should be separate, or whatever. If separate,
then it would make sense that the crew bailing should have an effect on the
difficulty of the test the squad should make. As someone else pointed out, if
the squad sees the vehicle crew jump, it's going to motivate them to do the
same thing. If the tests are NOT separate, then
whose leadership/quality do you use to test the morale - the crew or
the squad?
Well I look at it this way, the APC crew is part of the squad. While under
movement all reactions of the crew are also followed by the squad.
What about the situation where the APC is hit and one casualty is inflicted on
the squad (say from spall)? The crew would not bail out, but the squad
probably would.
--Binhan
> -----Original Message-----
What about the situation where the APC is hit and one casualty is inflicted on
the squad (say from spall)? The crew would not bail out, but the squad
probably would.
Binhan, In that case more than likely the rest of the squad would muscle him
down and treat him...and stay with the vehicle. I really do think that all
personal in a vehicle should be treated as crew until the grunts dismount,
then you factor them differently.
> --- B Lin <lin@rxkinetix.com> wrote:
Umm... probably not. I would not get out of a track while it's moving. And if
someone's shooting at it, it's moving OR the ramp is down OR the driver is
dead.
> --- Don M <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> Well I look at it this way, the APC crew is part of
I concur.
--- Adrian Johnson <adrian.johnson@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> whatever. That result forces an immediate
You gotta be kidding me. They have to make a
confidence check to avoid loosing 1-2 confidence
levels. I'm in favor of that.
Realistically, they would automatically dismount.
Think about it. This is a GEV--it's sprinting from
one position to another 1-2m above the ground when
some missle slams into it. So the passengers hear a thunderous boom, the track
is slammed like the fist of God just slapped it, then it drops down and skids
to a halt. If anyone has ever been in a major vehicle accident, you know sort
of what the sensation was like. Now imagine it's deliberately inflicted by
peopl who want to kill you.
By this time, I'm already leaping out the hatch, thank you very much. It's a
tossup whether I'm scared to death or incredibly pissed at whoever shot it
(and that's what the Confidence Check is all about), but I'm definitely
getting the hell out.