Quick question - headgear for the IF troops…?

Hi all, a quick query to the GZG-ListMind….

This is an odd little question that I've been trying to find the answer
to online, but obviously my Google-Fu is weak today - wondering if
anyone here knows it, or can find it more easily than I
can…. As most of you already know I do versions of the
Islamic Federation troops in both 15mm and 25mm wearing the traditional
"Keffiyeh", which I've always understood to be the name (or maybe just one of
the names) of the classic "chequered teatowel with the headband band round it"
(I'm
using this as a purely descriptive term, not with any non-PC meaning to
it!), SAS/LRDG /Lawrence of Arabia style. But what I can't find is a
name for the the longer cloth or scarf worn wound around the head
turban-style, with the ends either over the shoulders or wrapped across
the face as a sand-mask; is it still simply called a Turban, or is there
a better term for it?

Thanks in advance!

You mean the shermagh?

https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Shemagh-Head-Neck-Scarf/dp/B0079CT8Y6

> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Jon Tuffley <jon@gzg.com> wrote:

> Hi all, a quick query to the GZG-ListMind….

Both terms seem to be interchangeable.

This might also help: http://www.arabnews.com/fashion/news/769871

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keffiyeh

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jason Weiser <jason.weiser@gmail.com> wrote:

> You mean the shermagh?

Thanks Jason - yes, as you say, from that link it appears that I'm
looking at simply two different ways of wearing the same piece of
clothing…. so, anyone got any suggestions as to how I
should differentiate the two styles in the figure pack descriptions?! I'm
planning to add more packs of IF in 15mm with the Keffiyeh style heads (as
I've been calling them, that is the loose flowing style secured with the
headband) but also to add some packs wearing it in the "turban" style, some
with face exposed and some with the cloth wrapped across the
face….

Jon (GZG)

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 15:39, Jason Weiser <jason.weiser@gmail.com> wrote:

> Both terms seem to be interchangeable.
wrote:
> You mean the shermagh?
of the classic "chequered teatowel with the headband band round it" (I'm
using this as a purely descriptive term, not with any non-PC meaning to
it!), SAS/LRDG /Lawrence of Arabia style. But what I can't find is a
name for the the longer cloth or scarf worn wound around the head
turban-style, with the ends either over the shoulders or wrapped across
the face as a sand-mask; is it still simply called a Turban, or is there
a better term for it?
> Thanks in advance!

I would go with both, the ones with the cloth wrapped around the face would be
popular for a variety of applications. SF units for example?

> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Jon Tuffley <jon@gzg.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jason - yes, as you say, from that link it appears that I'm
so,
> anyone got any suggestions as to how I should differentiate the two
style,
> some with face exposed and some with the cloth wrapped across the

I AM going with both (the heads are done, just got the get them added to the
bodies!)….the question is simply what to call them, to
make the two versions clear in the descriptions….?

Jon (GZG)

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 20:17, Jason Weiser <jason.weiser@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would go with both, the ones with the cloth wrapped around the face
of the classic "chequered teatowel with the headband band round it" (I'm
using this as a purely descriptive term, not with any non-PC meaning to
it!), SAS/LRDG /Lawrence of Arabia style. But what I can't find is a
name for the the longer cloth or scarf worn wound around the head
turban-style, with the ends either over the shoulders or wrapped across
the face as a sand-mask; is it still simply called a Turban, or is there
a better term for it?
> Thanks in advance!

They are the same garment (the colors and patterns are largely regional).
According to Wikipedia, the rope band that holds it in place is called an
"agal".

I'd recommend listing the loose version as "wearing keffiyeh with agal" or
"wearing shemagh with agal", and the other as "wearing wrapped keffiyeh" or
"wearing wrapped shemagh".

To further differentiate you could use both versions of the name, going with
"wearing keffiyeh with agal" and "wearing wrapped shemagh".

> On Aug 9, 2017 3:28 PM, "Jon Tuffley" <jon@gzg.com> wrote:

> I AM going with both (the heads are done, just got the get them added
of the
> classic "chequered teatowel with the headband band round it" (I'm

Good suggestion, Allan - will most likely go with something of that sort
unless anyone has a better idea?

Jon (GZG)

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 22:58, Allan Goodall <awgoodall@gmail.com> wrote:

> They are the same garment (the colors and patterns are largely
of the classic "chequered teatowel with the headband band round it" (I'm
using this as a purely descriptive term, not with any non-PC meaning to
it!), SAS/LRDG /Lawrence of Arabia style. But what I can't find is a
name for the the longer cloth or scarf worn wound around the head
turban-style, with the ends either over the shoulders or wrapped across
the face as a sand-mask; is it still simply called a Turban, or is there
a better term for it?
> Thanks in advance!

I would like to point out the forces who allow/issue said garment refer
to them as Shemagh (both western and middle eastern).

Though Litham and Tagelmust would not be out of place either. Litham being the
Bedouin name and Tagelmust the Tuareg one.

Thanks Evyn!  :-)

As a garment worn (in various ways) in so many Middle Eastern states, there
seems to be so many names for it…..