Questions for the Forum

14 posts ยท May 16 2004 to May 19 2004

From: Warren Shultzaberger <carol.warren@p...>

Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:46:46 -0400

Subject: Questions for the Forum

I lost my Full Thrust Fleet Books (I had both of them) in the process of
moving and I have yet to replace them. In fact I lost Full Thrust, More
Thrust, Fleet Books 1 & 2, and Stargrunt2. Really pissed me off at the
time! I have some questions/observations for all you fine folks.

I remember playing only 3 games using the FB rules and here are some
observations made (from memory) about those games.

We argued over the smaller firing arcs a lot. To us the forward, aft, port,
starboard worked just fine. Has anyone else had these issues? We liked the
beam weapons being called 1, 2, 3, etc... It helped in remembering the ranges.
And there was no upward limit to these beams so a beam 5 or 6 could be done.
If I remember right weren't the PDAF and the ADAF combined to allow for both
functions? That seemed a lot more logical to us too.

Has anyone standardize some counters for the game yet for those of us who are
miniature challenged? Counters that are all an inch long, regardless of the
ship type, would be a great help for newbies to the game. Print them out, glue
them to some good posterboard backing, and
Ta-Da! Instant gaming counters!

Another thing I've noticed... When I run a game using the small counters from
my old Starfire game instead of my collection of starship miniatures, the
players plot slower speeds. I guess the think the
counters are moving more/faster in relation to the size of the gaming
piece than the miniatures do. Anyone else had this happen?

I've downloaded the Dirtside PDF but it prints out kind of fuzzy/blurry.
Is there any way to get that in a Word format? I also like to be able to print
it out on USA Letter size paper.

I used to have the links to a site that listed the Marines and Aliens from the
movies, and the Predator creatures, in Stargrunt2 format... Anyone have the
links to those?

Last, and every off topic... Can someone supply some links for some 15mm
Fantasy figs for my Hordes of the Things and Fantasy Rules games?

Thanks a million in advance....

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 07:48:14 -0500

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

Please recall I've not played for awhile, but I'm answering questions that are
more of feel than tech substance.

> We argued over the smaller firing arcs a lot. To us the forward, aft,

Most of the folks I played with made the change accepting them completely, and
never seemed to want to move back, but GW had seized most of their brains, and
such changes are not merely allowed, but required. In the end, I found it a
trade off.

Smaller arcs give greater granularity, making more variety in arc
combinations. On the other hand, you lose some of the glorius 'simplicity',
increase by 50% the fiddly judgements on whether a ship is in arc 'a' or 'b',
and decrease that feeling of your a** hanging in the air, assuming you're
using the blind spot. It's great at encouraging maneuver on the simplest
level.

> If I remember right weren't the PDAF and the ADAF combined to allow for

Sort of...

ADAF became a fire control; I could handle it, PSB-wise, fine; not sure
I
found it difficult play-wise, either.

> Has anyone standardize some counters for the game yet for those of us

I don't think anyone has done all (many? any?) of the Tuffleyverse ships, but
it IS Full Thrust: you can use whatever ships you want, and you can resize
what you find with even a simple tool like M$ Paint.

However, love our leader; buy his figs.

> I've downloaded the Dirtside PDF but it prints out kind of

I think it's still being considered.

BTW, Full Thrust and the fleet books can be received from Jon's already
lauded service, is often on eBay at not-to-dear prices, and I've some
extra I've been considering putting up for auction, but would be willing to
sell
direct to you in your hours of need at not-to-dear prices. ;->=

The_Beast

From: Ground Zero Games <jon@g...>

Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:50:04 +0100

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

> [snip]

The reason for this is that the pdf is a scan off an actual printed copy. The
problem is that DSII DOES NOT EXIST in an electronic format
- remember it was done back in 1993 or so, and since then the
printer/design studio that did the layout for it has lost the files
due to failures of old storage media! Reprints have since been done from the
original films, but all that exists on disk is my original unedited and
fragmentary manuscript....

Thus, to make it available in any better form than currently offered,
someone would have to OCR it and edit the result, then  re-do all the
graphics and layouts..... if anyone has the time and expertise to
actually do this, please step forward!  ;-)

From: Paul Owen <paul@g...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:37:33 +0100

Subject: RE: Questions for the Forum

I can export the scan from PDF to word but not sure if that would help at all,
I will try it if required.

I can re-do the scan at a higher res for OCR'ing but as Jon pointed out
it does take time and since only 3 people so far have expressed an interest I
did'nt do it.

Paul

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From: Roger Burton West <roger@f...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:43:00 +0100

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

> On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:37:33PM +0100, Paul Owen wrote:

> I can re-do the scan at a higher res for OCR'ing but as Jon pointed out

I'd be interested, but right now I don't have time to work on it, so I don't
want to make an offer I can't necessarily follow through on.

R

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:24:49 -0500

Subject: RE: Questions for the Forum

> I can re-do the scan at a higher res for OCR'ing but as Jon pointed out

I'm sure the requests are to get it into text-into-M$Word, so you are
probably right that image-into-M$Word isn't enough of an improvement to
warrant your effort. The whole A4 format issue is wicket-sticky, but if
one nudges Acrobat's settings, you can get a pretty fair print on 8" x 11"
paper. Hint, use the Text Crop(?) tool to select best part of the pages. I'm
not sure why those downloads have US as the column title when the
format is UK. ;->=

Firstly, maximum praise to Jon and Paul for the effort! 'It's out of print, so
we're giving it away' happens, but seldom enough to be damn impressive!

Secondly, Paul, as it's prolly a case of limited hours in the day, I'd rather
you direct your efforts to putting the screws to..., er, respectfully
encouraging Jon to supply more fig images, and other company downloads
(playtest items?) as appropriate. I've seen the improvement, and just want to
give a 'keep up the good work.'

Lastly, Jon, don't you 'owe' us some more 15mm SG figs? *duck*

The_Beast

From: Tony Francis <tony.francis@k...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:43:35 +0100

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

> Doug Evans wrote:

> I'm sure the requests are to get it into text-into-M$Word, so you are
Didn't know the usage of 'sticky-wicket' had crossed the pond ...

> nudges Acrobat's settings, you can get a pretty fair print on 8" x 11"
Not more... not yet <gasp>... I still have the last lot to paint....

Oh, go on then...

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:05:35 -0500

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

> Didn't know the usage of 'sticky-wicket' had crossed the pond ...

In every badly stereotypic English character in US media. ;->=

Of course, few over here have any idea of what a 'wicket' is, but who,
anywhere, REALLY understand cricket?

> Not more ... not yet <gasp> ... I still have the last lot to paint ....

You think I've got ANY painted? I'm just crazed to further upset the balance
of payments thing.

By the way, in the whole discussion about service over salt water, a simple
acknowledgement of good service from Brigade Models was in order. Not quite
mystical, mind you. ;->=

But still superb...

The_Beast

From: Tony Francis <tony.francis@k...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:28:27 +0100

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

> Doug Evans wrote:

> Not more ... not yet <gasp> ... I still have the last lot to paint
Thank'ee kindly, sir!

We did manage a mystical delivery this weekend - I put a parcel in the
post office on Friday morning, it arrived in Stuart Murray's hands in
New York yesterday morning - three days including a weekend ! This of
course is all to the credit of our Royal Mail, who can on occasion be very
efficient, rather than us.

From: Jon Davis <davisje@n...>

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:53:57 -0400

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

> Tony Francis wrote:

> Thank'ee kindly, sir !

> post office on Friday morning, it arrived in Stuart Murray's hands in

Considering that Stuart is also from the UK, there must be some mystical
British influence at work.

From: Lachlan Atcliffe <u1m87@u...>

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:15:44 +0100

Subject: Re: Questions for the Forum

> Jon Davis wrote:

> Considering that Stuart is also from the UK, there must be some

They both form a very nationalistic wormhole?

From: Warren Shultzaberger <carol.warren@p...>

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:12:09 -0400

Subject: RE: Questions for the Forum

I guess its better then a full functional nationalistic
A$$-HOLE...lolololololol

Warren;-)

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From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:35:53 -0500

Subject: RE: Questions for the Forum

> I guess its better then a full functional nationalistic

I so hate knowing the many directions this will go...

The_Beast

From: Warren Shultzaberger <carol.warren@p...>

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:43:24 -0400

Subject: RE: Questions for the Forum

Ahhh... Doug.... You KNOW this has to go south from here... Teehee...

Warren;-)

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