Question that may be really *old*...

2 posts ยท Dec 5 2000 to Dec 5 2000

From: Stark, Luke <lcs@i...>

Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:45:55 -0500

Subject: RE: Question that may be really *old*...

Bridge simulator...interesting idea...almost cerainly not a first rev thing.
*wink*

> Before we go too far there is the matter of licensing.

That is something I'm treading carefully on. It's only been an hour or two
since I started this thread and three people have sent me email about
licensing. I do not want to screw anything up for any of us. Read my other
posts for more info. I wouldn't enjoy playing this game alone...

-L
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> >What that's abowt is a prime example of the rich panoply that is the

Allan Goodall said:
> Actually, I hang out too much with Southerners. Mississippi,
I'm
> fixin to call them up and see how I'm doin'.

Y'all should be aware that it's Mi'sippi, Tenn'see, and Loosie-anna.
Although folks from round Knoxville speak MountnEEr rather than South'un.

At CanAm FMAS, you'll have the opportunity to meet a few of my troops,
including SGT Jedidiah ("Preacherman") Quesinberry and PFC Junior
("Chaw")
Martin. Should be interesting.
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Corey said:
> I would argue about the huge disparity between the NAC and the ESU. In

I'd go the other way. Keep the ESU at 8.5, make the NAC about 10. Otherwise
we're devaluing the FSE and NSL too much.
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From: "Stark, Luke" <lcs@intonet.com>
To: "'gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu'" <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu>
Subject: FT: GZF format...anything use it?
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I haven't seen anythig new using the GZF format release in the last year (at
the Computer core at least) Am I mistaken?

How many people out there are actively using GZF in their own scripts? (perl
or whatever...)

Just wanting to know if GZF formats are widely used, or if it was a good idea
that didn't get much use (absolutely no offense to it's designers!)

-L

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> > > http://www.geocities.com/fullthrustweb/

Style.css exists. GeoCities servers are case sensitive so if the page links to
style.css or STYLE.CSS then it won't be found.

It's a really stupid bug in Netscape 4.x that causes it display a 404 error
when it can't get a linked stylesheet rather than displaying the page without
the styling, as common sense (and the relevant specifications) says should
happen.

I see that the reference to STYLE.CSS has been removed which should have
solved the problems.

For complex historical reasons, Netscape 4.x also uses JavaScript to parse CSS
which is why turning JS off solved the problem.

None of the above holds for Netscape 6 or for any non-Netscape
browsers.

        Steve

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> Yuck, anything north of Fargo gives me the willies.

Fargo is a brisk -11F this morning (-20 and below is what I consider
cold though I did finally bring out the winter jacket today)

I could make a Winnepeg con but most gamers I know of are south of me, not
north. It all depends on when the con is and where. Would we want a dedicated
GZG con or would it be OK to attach the festivities to an existing con?

Dean Gundberg

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> Actually the movies show that the ties

When making RotJ he folks at ILM had a chart showing the relative
speeds/manoeuvrabilities of the various fighters. But they don't
distinguish between speed and manoeuvrability which is annoying but on a par
with the general quality of the science in SW.

See http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/art/ilmmglt1.jpg

It rates TIEs, X-Wings and Y-Wings the same.

There's an interesting article about TIE fighters at
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/tie.html, indeed several of the SW
Technical Commentaries from that site are a good read.

I have some rough ideas for SW fighters in FT at
http://steve.pugh.net/grunt/sw_fighters.html

cheers,
                Steve

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The Unofficial GZG Fleet Rosters are "by no means complete". They show only
examples of fleet organization. When I did the PAU fleet lists, I subsumed
that there was overlap between the Task Forces. I.e. some elements of a Strike
Task Force would be drawn from Patrol or Escort Task Forces.

Also most of the PAU forces are escort forces for their commercial shipping. I
started under the assumption that the PAU forces broke down about (not
counting scouts):
CT/FF/DD:  40%
CL/CE: 40%
CH: 15% BC and above: 5%

Both the PAU and IF take to the stars in 2070. I would think that at this time
there was a major shake out of the African population. Many of those not of
Islam would be encouraged to take up residency on PAU colonies. Likewise,
those who did not want to be under an infidel government, would be encouraged
to migrate to an IF colony. But then again, I
read the GZG history to contain a mass off-Earth migration
for all countries between 2069 and 2200.

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Subject: Help finding modern army TO&E?
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Anybody know of any examples on the net of any modern army (esp. US)
TO&E?
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Thanks to everyone for their help and understanding. I am now able to access
the Computer Core website with Netscape 4.7 with JavaScript and StyleSheets
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--Greg

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Y'all use sensor rules? Does Derek use something like ash Shaulah's
refitted to escort config/missile catchers (mass 8, 1 hull, thrust 6, 1
ADFC, 3PDS)?

> Sorry Donald it just doesn't work that way. We only play vector and
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Sorry for the OT.... this one particularly might be of interest to Canadians
and Canadian expats.

For the listers from Canada, a friend just sent me this (the "they" is the
guys from "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" <-- Canuck comics for you other
non-Canadians on the list) and it seemed in the spirit of our list and
the yuletide season. Follow the link below to get mailing addresses or to go
to the bulletin board about half way down and send some messages to our
Canadian Forces overseas on UN/NATO/Peackeeping missions.

They have set up a bulletin board for people to send our peacekeepers overseas
a holliday greeting.

Has 6 different areas to send messages to. From the Golan Heights to HMCS
Halifax.

http://www.22minutes.com/default.asp

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:24:36 -0500

Subject: Re: Question that may be really *old*...

> "Stark, Luke" wrote:

Is Play-by-Email an option for you? A number of us on the list do that
on occassion (esp since time/distance between our respective selves is
really a tad vast to simply drive over to visit in an evening ;-).

Mk
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This is old news. I've seen a prototype in action. It uses a matrix to

launch the rounds. Electric action. Kinda neat and probably useful for

clearning minefields of mines. Think of it as a really wierd claymore mine.
The one I saw was probably operating at around 10,000 rounds a minute which is
better than Phalanx.

I think it needs a lot of work before it will be useful in a military sense.
Right now it is great for duck hunting.

--Peter

> From: "Jay Arnold" <jdarnold@siu.edu>
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> Have to disagree with Chris' assessment of the PAU. Having seen some

Not a good record on that, eh? And there's an amazing amount of HIV. My
parents took a short-term medical missions trip to an African country
about 10 years ago and about 35% of patients had it. I understand the
percentage has increased since.

> their economy will probably boom quite hugely so flat curve growth

The other factor is that, if they're pouring money into economic
development, they may not need/want/have as much for military.  IIRC
Nigeria, a fairly wealthy country by African standards, has a few vessels in
the FF range plus some patrol boats and maybe a destroyer. Most of them are
beyond economic repair due to lack of maintenance & trained crew.

If you're using Crew Quality rules and the Major Powers are "standard", I'd
suggest downgrading PAU (and IF).

> I think the "militancy" of the ESU will help make up for its shortages

Right.  But that hurts your GDP in the long run--I've read that every
1%GDP
spent on the military reduces growth by 1/2%.

All this having been said, I'd rather increase the size of the Major Powers'
fleets than decrease the PAU (et al). If you have only a few ships, you
can't really fight a battle--you can't risk losing anything.  If you
have 40 battleships, losing one is unfortunate rather than catastrophic.