Question regarding Hungarian history (was Re: FT Lancers)

Hi Buky Akos,

I was wondering if you could help me out with some Hungarian history. 3 years
ago I was in Budapest and visited the war museum there. Could you tell me the
name of the General who held off two million Austrian and Russian troops in
1848 with only a handfull of Honeds? I can remember the exhibit on the 1848
war, as fortunately the signs were in English, but I can't remember the
General's name which I thought might make a good name for an NSL Dreadnought.

Regards,

The two Hungarian Generals of 1848 who most likely fit the bill are Jozef Bem,
actually a Pole, who led Honved troops throughout the Revolution, drove the
Austrians out of Transylvania, defeated the Russians several times, and was
eventually nominated by Kossuth to be the Commander in Chief of the Honved,
and Artur Gorgei, who defeated the main Austrian army and relieved Komorn
fortress, and I think was responsible for recapturing Pest in 1849.
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Robert Eldridge <bob_eldridge@mindspring.com> írta:

> The two Hungarian Generals of 1848 who most likely fit the bill are
Could you
> tell

Greetings!

My guesses are the same, but I will consult with our "experts" as well,
leaning more toward Bem.

Greetings,

Akos Büky

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The two Hungarian Generals of 1848 who most likely fit the bill are Jozef Bem,
actually a Pole, who led Honved troops throughout the Revolution, drove the
Austrians out of Transylvania, defeated the Russians several times, and was
eventually nominated by Kossuth to be the Commander in Chief of the Honved,
and Artur Gorgei, who defeated the main Austrian army and relieved Komorn
fortress, and I think was responsible for recapturing Pest in 1849.
***

Both sound like good possibilities for SOME kind of capital ships.

Ákos, could you ask those same 'experts' as to the relative respect with
which each is held? Alas, in spite of some college work many decades ago, my
knowledge of central European history is not merely woefully inadequate, it's
simply woeful.

The_Beast

Hi all,

Thanks to Robert Eldridge and Buky Akos for the answer to my question, it was
Jozef Bem whose name I was trying to remember. Though I couldn't remember his
name ( a common failing of mine) I was incredibly impressed by him and what he
achieved against such overwelming odds, that also goes for the Honved's
themselves.

I have always assumed, geographically and geopolitically speaking, that
Hungary would be in the NSL, given that Hungary is a central European (or
"mittel europe") state not "eastern european", the latter term a recent one
born out of the cold war. I would think that Hungary would avoid the ESU like
the plague, and Hungarians, not being a Slavic people, might not be too keen
on joining the Romanov Hegemony. I see Hungary as being an equal partner
within the NSL, certainly not inclined to take a back seat and let Germany and
Austria dominate affairs of state.

This gives me an idea, as I recently obtained a copy of Stargrunt (thanks St.
Jon, sorry about the bother), I might make my first project the creation of a
Honved platoon...hmmm. Anyone got any suggestions on where I might find
background info on them, other than the Military History musuem in Budapest?
;-)

Thanks again for the help,

Regards,

Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> írta:

> ***

Yep, I'll ask them. One of them told me about György Klapka was helding off
quite a number of Austrians at the siege of Komarom. He was defending the
fortress.

Man, it's a shame how I forgot all these things, as history was one of
my favourite. .. Yet I could quote the hundred-so SW modules I used to
work on. Work is quite good bleaching out not used knowledge.

If one is interested I'll get and translate some infos about Hungarian
Generals in 1848-49. Question is, should it be posted on the list..?
(At least good for naming NSL ships. :-) )

Matt Tope <mptope@omnihybrid.com> írta:

> Hi all,

Yes, we like to consider ourselves to be Central Europeans. For most people,
Hungary belongs to the barbaric Balkan and Co. Well, even if we still have
much to do, (40 years of Communism let a deep scar...), most of the visitors
are pleasently suprised. Going to the East it is getting worse, but as far as
I can judge, it's more the politicians fault.

> I would think that Hungary would avoid the ESU

let
> Germany and Austria dominate affairs of state.

Actually, according to some, we are already a German provance. Germany has a
huge influence here, even if Americans gained a lot, and maintained a base in
Taszar.

> This gives me an idea, as I recently obtained a copy of Stargrunt

Hm. I remember recalling some quite good sites about Hungarian history, one
I've checked for another gamer had an excellent English version as well. If I
have a chance and do not forget it I'll try to dig up something.

Greetings,

                                             Catinator

From: "Büky Ákos" <catinator@freemail.hu>

> Yes, we like to consider ourselves to be Central Europeans. For most

> Büky Ákos wrote:

All the hungarian history I know of comes from this site.

http://www.hungary.com/corvinus/lib/

Andrae Muys <andrae.muys@braintree.com.au> írta:

> Büky Ákos wrote:

Greetings!

It seems very promising, I'll check it out, if it's correct. Unfortunately, in
the last years, Hungarians (most of them) became quite divided thanks to the
political parties. Each side has their own view regarding current

and near history (last 100 years) and force others to accept it. And people
seem to discuss everything, everywhere, everytime (except it's
more bitching and cursing) - but it should be on another list.

I try to find the good sites which where for different periods of the History.

Anyway,

Thanks a lot,

Akos Büky