Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

14 posts ยท Jul 21 2000 to Jul 27 2000

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:44:21 -0500

Subject: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

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Seriously, Karl, I had trouble SEEING the Coat of Arms; I keep getting a
broken pic at:
http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/lira/grafiken\lirawapp.gif
***

Sorry, I should have said: '...on the first page.' The COA displays fine
elsewhere.

I'm having trouble with SSD graphics on the two largest ships. It's not
consistent; sometimes a line in the middle, sometimes half 'fuzzed', sometimes
the whole thing looking half downloaded. Does happen both with Netscape and
M$IE. *shrug*

Your ship descriptions suggest converted ships from GZG navies; do you have
converted figs? Can we see piccies? ;->=

My next question: Any of your fleet Space Fleet ships?

The_Beast

-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon

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From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:28:00 +0200

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

Douglas Evans
> I'm having trouble with SSD graphics on the two largest ships. It's

I have noticed that myself with the page on the web, not on my disk. Any
idea about reasons/solutions ?

> Your ship descriptions suggest converted ships from GZG navies; do you

A picture gallery is my next project (but this will take some time). The
'converted' ships are minis from other manufacturers that look somewhat like
GZG miniatures (e.g.a Star Wars Star destroyer was declared to be a converted
FSE ship)

> My next question: Any of your fleet Space Fleet ships?

Very observant, the 'trident' type ships (CT, DD and CL) are GW Space Fleet
minis

Greetings Karl Heinz

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:18:57 -0500

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

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Douglas Evans
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Call me Doug. ;->=

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I have noticed that myself with the page on the web, not on my disk. Any
idea about reasons/solutions ?
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Sorry, with internet as with painted figs, I'm far more a consumer than a
producer. However, if no one else has a clue, I'd be willing to accept the
files as mail attachments, and see if I can figure it out. If anyone does make
suggestions to you, don't forget to tell them what you used to create the
rather striking images.

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The 'converted' ships are minis from other manufacturers that look somewhat
like GZG miniatures (e.g.a Star Wars Star destroyer was declared to be a
converted FSE ship)
***

Excellent! Will be waiting the piccies with anticipation; we all like clever
inclusions of 'outside' ships. For instance, I'm curious if the Star
Destroyer was a Galoob, one of the many 'not-Star Wars' knock
offs/'influenced by' created by numerous companies, or an official Star
Wars ship I'd never seen.

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Very observant, the 'trident' type ships (CT, DD and CL) are GW Space Fleet
minis
***

Which I've mentioned on the list before, shall remain for me the true Eldar
fleet, no matter what the official stories say. Every time I bring mine out,
somebody sez 'Oh, yeah, the old Eldar ships.' The previous sail ships are fine
for Exodite system defenders, and the current are great tools of pirate
overlords, but supposed Imperial gothic designs are obviously what defended
the craftworld in Doom of the Eldar.

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a) existing Latin American coat-of-arms do not adhere too closely to the
rules of heraldry
***

Well, I half-joking made this argument before. However, I will point out
that those 'rules' were made for good reasons, some arcane tradition, some
graphic practicality. Worthy of at least notice.

Also, if LIRA is flying designs such as Evil Empire (tm) Gothic Ships, they
obviously have SOME old world decadence in their souls. ;->=

All of the above is more work than I've ever before written on anyone else's
site. Believe me when I say I found it very exciting, and can hardly wait for
more!

The_Beast

-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon

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Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - Adolf Hitler

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:36:31 +0200

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

> Call me Doug. ;->=
Hello Doug

Quite right about the rules, but, as said, the Latinso are pretty unruffled
by them. Also, I had a real-life source of inspiration: the 'original'
white
LLAR flag is a real official Latin-American/Iberian flag. I developed
the other insignia from that. For a real example, see:
http://www.modelo.edu.mx/cultura/diaraza/draza99/draza99.html

Greetings Karl Heinz

From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:53:50 +0200

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

> The_Beast wrote:

> ***

<takes out DotE from the shelves> <looks very carefully at the spaceship
counters and the pictures in the rule book>

Err.... no. Not a single trident-shaped ship in all of DotE. The
counters show the Eldar ships from straight ahead, making it very difficult to
see the sails; the outline of the ship with the various gun blisters, engine
pods and the long tail is clearly evident though.

And, of course, the picture on page 17 in the rule book shows a
squadron of four Wraithships under full sail :-/

Regards,

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: 24 Jul 2000 07:42 GMT

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

> >***

Sorry to disappoint all the Eldar fans out there, but according to Teske's
Space Fleet homepage
http://www.hicom.net/~teske/sfleet/spaceships.html
(I don't have the game, just got them second-hand) my minis are all
ships of the Evil Imperial Fleet (Gothic, Firestorm etc. class)?

Greetings Karl Heinz

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:05:17 -0500

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

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(I don't have the game, just got them second-hand) my minis are all
ships of the Evil Imperial Fleet (Gothic, Firestorm etc. class)?
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;->= Sorry, Karl, but as usual, my ranting obscured my meaning.

They were OFFICIALLY Imperial, but people with foggy memories of the Space
Fleet game often called those particular ships as Eldar when seeing them
again. Given the graceful curves compared to busy-surfaced bricks that
were similar to the current BFG ones: Tyrant, Emperor, Dictator *shudder*,
etc.,
the confusion is understandable.

The_Beast

-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon

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From: Andrew Apter <andya@s...>

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:03:27 -0400

Subject: RE: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

The starships grave yard has been updated to include Moya and Tayln

From: Christopher Congdon <codo-1@m...>

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:29:42 -0500

Subject: RE: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

Interesting page. Pretty cool. Only a couple of small problems I noticed...

The 1701D has a Class 3 battery that has blue shading instead of grey.

The Galactica *should* have some missiles. I don't remember the name of the
episode, but it was the one with the Battlestar Pegasus in it. Or was it just
the Pegasus shooting missiles? But still, a pair of Battlestars should
theortically have the same armament. Henry Ford proved it was cheapest to just
mass produce the same thing over and over again....

Honor Harrington Style goes to a dead link. (HTTP 404) Also, you have a break
between Honr Harring Style and ship of the wall.

On the Lexx, when you state Speed 4, Turn 4, am I to assume you are talking
about Kra'Vak style maneuvering? If you read FB1, it says that you can denote
that by simply dropping 4A in the engine box. (A = Advanced as in Advanced
Grav Drive)

'Cardasian' [sic] is misspelled.

'Dominian' [sic] is misspelled on the spec picture.

Queen Marry goes to a page without a picture. Also, is Marry supposed to be
spelled that way?

Darkstar has no link at all.

Borg Cube...defintely not big enough... =) Seriously, I have an SSD from Star
Fleet Battles where someone thought they had a good estimate of a Borg
Cube.... I HAD TO PRINT IT ON A PLOTTER! The SSD was like 2 feet wide by 3
feet long!!!

The display for the 1701E says Enterprise D at the bottom.

Sorry to nit-pick. It is a real interesting scenario and I can't wait to
try it out...

From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:11:24 -0700

Subject: RE: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

Ummm... the Yamato is a tad on the large side.

I like:

http://home.flash.net/~maserati/ID/StarBlazers/Yamato.html

for Yamato stats. of course, I *don't* like that page for graphic
presentation, but I'm moving the data anyway

> At 11:03 PM -0400 7/24/00, Andrew Apter wrote:

From: Charles Taylor <charles.taylor@c...>

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:22:51 +0100

Subject: RE: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

In message <LOBBIEFGANBBAEDEPFENOEJGCEAA.apter@prodigy.net>
> "Andrew Apter" <apter@prodigy.net> wrote:

> The starships grave yard has been updated to include Moya and Tayln
Quite a fun idea - but I have a few quibbles :-)

IIRC, the Lexx only has one gun - the planet-buster special - If it has
others (say PDS) then nobody's found them yet :-) (The Lexx wouldn't
think to tell).

Also, I don't remember the Moths being armed either.

There is no evidence in the series for the Red Dwarf being armed, but I
think you got the number of hull boxes right :-)

The 'Last Starfighter' Gunstar was definately a fighter, as Noam stated,
at least in size - but a very long range one - you could treat it as a
'shrunk' scout/corvette as follows:
Mass 9 Hull (miniaturised to 1) 1 HULL Thrust 12A drive (treat as using
Fighter movement) FTL system
1 Class-1 battery - counts as full PDS vs. fighters & missiles
1 'Death Blossom" - see below
'Heavy' - +1 to hit other fighters (as heavy fighter)
NPV=35

Whether or not it uses CEF is up to you.

"Death Blossom" - 1-use (varient of SM-pack) - knocks out all systwms on
ship for 1d6/2 turns - launches attacks against all targets in range:
0-6 mu - 3d6 damage, rolled as beams
6-12 mu - 2d6 damage
12-18 mu - 1d6 damage
- like an SM-pack attack, these attacks also apply to fighter groups.

Not _quite_ as extreme :-)

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:53:40 -0500

Subject: RE: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

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The Draconia
Well, digging up the Sci-Fi & Fantasy Modelling article on the
restoration of the orginal studio miniature - it's big - about 5.5km
long, and has 43 fighter launch tubes (and thus _at least_ 43 fighters
- it may well carry more, IIRC there were staging areas behind the
launch tubes).
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Maybe, but a) it was palace-for-a-princess as well as a flagship, so
wasted
space is expected( ;->= ), b)the show made it seem lucky to be launching
the 8-at-a-time, much less than 48-at-a-time on the SSD.

If each tube ends in a bay for a single fighter, we actually have 5 too many
on the SSD. You're right about the ready bay filled with fighters, though.

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> From what I remember of the series, there is no evidence of it having
***

*shrug* Even the fighters were supposed to be a 'secret'. Diplomatic vessel
and all. PSB is heavy in the YMMV zone.

For instance, I could have sworn that Fireball Jr.had SOME 'guns'.

The_Beast

-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon

One World, one Web, one Program - Microsoft promotional ad
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - Adolf Hitler

From: Aaron Teske <ateske@H...>

Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:30:19 -0400

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

> At 08:05 AM 7/24/00 -0500, The_Beast wrote:

Um, but they're not, and from your original message it sounds like you are
calling them Eldar....

In any case, the above (and Oerjan's comments) are correct, though Oerjan said
the ships are shown from straight ahead when they're actually shown from the
top (IIRC, I've got a cat on my lap so I'm not about to get up to check).

And I'm still peeved that I never found a Ghost Dragon mini... well, okay, I'm
not positive they made one, but GW did make prototype Ork vessels that
they never released (something like that Hulk/Rock whatever it was
called, in BFG).

Anyway....

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:26:12 -0500

Subject: Re: Queries on images Re: LLAR Website

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Um, but they're not, and from your original message it sounds like you are
calling them Eldar....
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Er, no, that they SHOULD be Eldar, and I already apologized for whatever it
sounded like in the first case. Which you quoted. Here endeth the moribund
equine flagellation...

The_Beast

-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon

One World, one Web, one Program - Microsoft promotional ad
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - Adolf Hitler