Printed works, period kinda long

12 posts ยท Aug 14 1998 to Aug 23 1998

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:45:20 -0500 (CDT)

Subject: Re: Printed works, period kinda long

> You wrote:

> Also GO TELL THE SPARTANS & PRINCE OF SPARTA, colonial civil

Also by Stirling with others:

The Ship who Fought:  w/ Anne McCaffrey.  Some bits have SGII
applications, but generally just a good read.

The General series: w/ David Drake.  The books that got me hooked on
Roman history. It's Belisarius with an SF twist on a 19th century technology
world. Good stuff.

Other good reads:

Defense of Duffer's Drift. E.D. Swinton Primer for usage of infantry platoon
in a guerilla warfare environment. Writen just after the Boer War and just as
valid today.

The Defense of Hill 781: Colonel James R. McDonough, USA. Written as a
"Defense of Duffer's Drift" for the Mechanized Infantry batallion.
This guy is GOOD--173rd Airborne Brigade in Vietnam, director of SAMS
when he wrote the book. He knows his tactics.

The Final Encyclopedia: Gordy Dickson. There's a section where Hal joins a
guerilla group on Harmony. Pretty decent.

Certain Victory: by BG Robert N. Scales, Jr., USA. I've got the Brassey's
edition, was also published by Office of the Chief of Staff, United States
Army. A good look at how the US Army (and only US Army) functioned in Desert
Storm. You want an idea what the logistics for interstellar war will look
like? This is your book. You want a feel
for armored combat at the batallion/brigade level?  This is your book.
Pretty objective, too.

Small Wars: Their Principles and Practice. Major General Sir Charles Edward
Callwell, Royal Artillery. Fought in Afghan War, 1st Boer War, volunteered for
Greek forces in 1897, servedon staff of Sir Buller during 1899 in South
Africa, fought at the relief of Ladysmith, and
commanded a mobile column against the Boers from 1901-2.  Retired in
1909, recalled in 1914, made MG, and made Director of Military Operations at
the War Office, where he made himself unpopular by arguing loud and long
against Churchill's pet project, the Gallipoli operation. Small Wars is a
discussion of the various "Low Intensity" conflicts of the 19th century. The
lessons are 100% applicable to modern warfare, and to the warfare of the
future. He discusses not so much technology or politics, but proper tactics,
superior discipline, and high morale as keys to victory.

The Art of Maneuver: Robert Leonhard. I can't find the bio with rank, etc, but
he does mention in the forward that he was an officer in the
4/18th Infantry (Mechanized) during Desert Storm.  Bit of an esoterical
book and sometimes a hard read, but interesting. I don't buy everything he
says, but he presents his arguments quite cogently.

Attacks: Erwin Rommel. If I have to explain who he was... Anyway, this book
discusses his experiences in the First World War. Excellent book. A lot of
light infantry tactics havn't changed much.

Spec Ops: William H. McRaven. Author's bio blurb isn't too informative, other
than to mention that in 1995, when the book was written, he commanded SEAL
Team 3. Analysis of several Special Operations ranging from Eben Emael, to the
Midget SUbmarine Attack on the Tirpitz, to Operation Yonathan. Finally, a book
about Special Operations that's not just hooah stories and neat toys. He takes
each operation minute by minute and analyses what makes it sucessful or not.
His premise is that there is a point at which the attacking force gains
superiority relative it's opponents. Sucessful operations attain this rapidly,
unsucessful ones don't. Frequently, this occours before combat.

From: therubydragon@m...

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:32:51 +0000

Subject: Re: Printed works, period kinda long

> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:45:20 -0500 (CDT)

> You wrote:

It is the CITY who Fought. NOT THE SHIP! ;-0

From: Michael Brown <mwbrown@s...>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:19:00 -0700

Subject: RE: Printed works, period kinda long

> John wrote:

The Defense of Hill 781: Colonel James R. McDonough, USA. Written as a
"Defense of Duffer's Drift" for the Mechanized Infantry batallion.
This guy is GOOD--173rd Airborne Brigade in Vietnam, director of SAMS
when he wrote the book. He knows his tactics.

He also wrote Platoon Leader, based on his time in Vietnam. BTW he was my Task
Force Commander during an NTC Rotation in '86. Some how the book seems very
familiar...

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:16:38 -0500 (CDT)

Subject: RE: Printed works, period kinda long

> You wrote:

> He also wrote Platoon Leader, based on his time in Vietnam. BTW he

Like they say, Write what you know. He also did Limits of Glory, about
Waterloo.  I had it kinda pegged as the late 80s--still had Vulcans,
but the M-1s weren't vanilla.  Although I'm ordering M-163s for my
M-1A2 batallion based on aesthetic considerations--Avengers look goofy,
and GHQ doesn't yet have the air defense Bradleys out.

From: Noah Doyle <nvdoyle@m...>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:28:48 -0500

Subject: RE: Printed works, period kinda long

I'd probably want to keep the Vulcans. If you can depress them far
enough, they'd make great anti-personnel weapons...

Noah

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From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:54:46 -0400

Subject: Re: Printed works, period kinda long

> I'd probably want to keep the Vulcans. If you can depress them far

But Vulcans are too logical to be easily depressed...

From: carlparl@j... (Carl J Parlagreco)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:25:28 -0400

Subject: Re: Printed works, period kinda long

> I'd probably want to keep the Vulcans. If you can depress them far
But be careful. If you depress them too much, they won't be able to get out of
bed on the day of battle.

From: Mike Wikan <mww@n...>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:30:15 -0700

Subject: RE: Printed works, period kinda long

Yeah, but when they die, you save their "Katra" clone 'em and send 'em back
out!!!

Michael Wikan Game Design Slave Zero Accolade, Inc.
http://www.slavezero.com

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From: Noah Doyle <nvdoyle@m...>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:16:45 -0500

Subject: RE: Printed works, period kinda long

Head hurt....

From: Noah Doyle <nvdoyle@m...>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:41:35 -0500

Subject: RE: Printed works, period kinda long

Arrrrrgh! I get enough of this from my wife!

Noah

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From: carlparl@j... (Carl J Parlagreco)

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:35:51 -0400

Subject: Re: Printed works, period kinda long

Don't worry. You keep getting it from your wife. You won't be getting any
from me. :-)

On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:41:35 -0500 Noah Doyle <nvdoyle@midlink.com>
writes:
> Arrrrrgh! I get enough of this from my wife!

From: Noah Doyle <nvdoyle@m...>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:05:06 -0500

Subject: RE: Printed works, period kinda long

ARRRRGH!

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