Primer

Can anyone recommend a good BLACK spray primer, besides the specific hobby
ones? (Citadel, Armory, GW, etc....), and where it can be found? (In the
states.)

I was hoping Testors made one, but evidently not.

Thanks for the help.

> Can anyone recommend a good BLACK spray primer, besides the specific

Try Krylon. Apparently Armory black primer is the same stuff, just
re-labeled and a higher sticker price.

--Binhan

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Zynolite Charcoal Grey Primer - I've used it successfully for years.
About
$2+ for a large can.

KR

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If its the same as the Armory stuff (or vice versa) then that's a fine primer.

Almost always, the general artist's supplies will be cheaper and often higher
quality than items sold for the hobby. Acrylic paint is an even better example
than primers. Although, Armory makes a lot of shades of colors (grays, light
blues for naval cammo, etc) that the artists expect to mix themselves.

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> I was hoping Testors made one, but evidently not.

Actually, I've found Testors Flat Black to be one of the better "primers"
around. A tad pricey, but excellent quality.

I use a black car primer. The store I buy from also do a grey, white,
red/brown, and a yellow. They have worked well on metals, plastics and
resin with no ill effect.

> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:31:52 -0400

I've been getting excellent results with HD Designs primer, Fred Meyer's store
brand. It goes on very fine, adheres paint well, and it's cheap. It also has a
spray nozzle that has an oval spray pattern rather than circular, allowing
quicker coverage (though wastes some primer for small
figures, like micro-armor for DSII).

John,

What's the brand name?

KR
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John,

What's the brand name?

KR

Its the stores own brand. The chain of stores are U.K. wide, and are called
"Halfords". Not sure if they exist outside U.K.

John

> On 29-Aug-01 at 11:33, Hudak, Michael (mihudak@state.pa.us) wrote:

Old message reply, however...

Krylon, get the sandable primer. It is the best I have ever used. Beats any of
the ones I've picked up at the hobby store. You almost have to flood things to
get drips or cover detail, DAMHIKT.

Many people have given their favorite brands, I happen to use Ace Hardware
brand. The important thing is that you use a flat enamel spray. Almost any
brand will do, I've used Krylon, Ace, and several others. I can't tell a
difference in brands. Just be sure to buy the "hi Quality" version of which
ever brand you go with. Try your local hardware store or DIY Eric in Denver

> Many people have given their favorite brands, I happen to use

Ok, this is where I'm getting confused..... just what is the difference
between 'Primer' and 'flat enamel spray'? I thought I should be avoiding
enamels.....  (Think I saw that on a website somewhere....)   I've seen
a bunch of black 'flat enamel', but black primer has been hard. (Found some at
Pep Boys, one of our local auto parts stores).

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.  ;-)

Okay, here's the deal: some paint manufacturers sell products that are
"primers", but these formulations are not necessary for the modelling hobby.
In the case of auto primers, they are designed to provide a bond between
metal and petro-based auto paint. As a modeller, I use latex paints.
These
paints will adhere well to almost any non-glossy surface. So you can
save yourself some money and use any flat enamel (enamel because its more
durable and sprays on more evenly) instead of blowing cash on "primer". I
called it primer because it does the job of a primer. I guess I should have
used the term "undercoat" which is more accurate. As far as avoiding the use
of enamels, I think that is most likely hype started by some company wishing
to sell their special overpriced paints. I've been using flat enamel
undercoats for years, and they work just fine. Pretty soon (couple of weeks on
the outside) I'll have a bunch of pics of my mini's on my website. Nothing
special, but they've held up just fine with enamel undercoats.

Hope that helps! Eric

> Ok, this is where I'm getting confused..... just what is the

mrUseless schrieb:
> As far as avoiding the use of enamels, I think that is most likely

Don't believe everything you see on the web ;-)

The main argument against using enamel paints, AFAIK, is that they need
hydrocarbon solvents like turpentine or white spirit, both as a medium and to
clean brushes and other painting equipment. This is a concern from a health
and environmental viewpoint and they also cost extra
money compared to the alternative, namely water-based paints such as
acrylics. Note that in the quantities used by modellers, the
health/environment issue is not usually serious if you use them in a
reasonable fashion.

As far as painting results, durability etc. go, there is not much to choose
between enamels and other paints. There are a lot of other points that make or
break a paint job (good, clean brushes, for example, skill and practice etc.)

Greetings