"Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

9 posts ยท Oct 14 2004 to Oct 14 2004

From: John Brewer <jbrewer@w...>

Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:33:33 -0500

Subject: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

On 30 Mar 2003, "staremu" posted his concept for a developement of the
Catholic Church in the future [posting #625 - GZG List Archives -- March
2003]. I found his idea interesting, but I wanted him to go further. I see
"Nova Roma" as a potential major power not restricted to a single world in FSE
space. The Chruch could colonize the undesputed, unsettled space that is
encircled by the FSE, NSL, NAC, Mongols, & Bavarians.

All that Nova Roma needs now is it's own unique space fleet. The fleet would
be made up of licenced copies of current FSE warships, supplemented by
purchased decommissioned Milans, Romas, Garibaldis & Chiracs.

What would make the Papal High Guard interesting would be ship nomenclature,
and is based on the classifications of angels...

SERAPHIM class fighters are licenced copies of the Mirage IX fighter.

CHERUBIM class are licenced copies of the Camerone heavy fighter.

Licenced copies of the Mistral class scoutship have enumerated nomenclature.

Licenced copies of the Athena class corvette are named for Saints, Popes, &
illustrious fathers of the Church.

THRONE class frigates & DOMINION class destroyers are named for important
dioceses, cathedrals, cities, nations, continents, & worlds controled by the
Church.

VIRTUE class cruisers Ships in class: FAITH, HOPE, GRACE, CONTROL, CHARITY,
HUMILITY, PIETY, ATONEMENT, HONOR, NOBLENESS, TEMPERANCE, INNOCENCE, PURITY,
CHASTITY, PRUDENCE, FORTITUDE, INTEGRITY, FEALTY, KINDNESS, BENEVOLENCE,
BENEFICENCE, GENEROSITY, COURAGE, BRAVERY, MERCY, GENTLENESS, MODERATION,
TOLERANCE, FORBEARANCE, HUMANITY, SORBRIETY, REVERENCE, RESPECT, OBLIGATION,
CONSCIENCE, PROPRIETY, LOYALTY, VERACITY, MORALITY, TRUSTWORTHY, FAULTLESS,
DECENCY, MODESTY, DIGNITY, ABSTINENCE,
SELF-DENIAL, SACRIFICE, PENANCE, PATIENCE

POWER class battleships Ships in class: DIVINITY, OMNIPOTENCE, OMNISCIENCE,
PROVIDENCE, CREATION, PRESERVATION, SALVATION, REDEMPTION, PROPIFIATION,
MEDIATION, INTERCESSION, JUDGMENT, INSPIRATION, REGENERATION, SANCTIFICATION,
CONSOLATION

PRINCIPALITY class carriers Ships in class: DIVINE GOVERNMENT, DIVINE
SOVEREINTY, DIVINE WISDOM, DIVINE TRUTH, THEARCHY, IMMUTABLE

ARCHANGEL class dreadnoughts Ships in class: MICHAEL, GABRIEL, URIEL, RAPHAEL,
RAGUEL, SARIEL, REMIEL, JEREMIEL, SACHIEL, SHAMSHEL, RAMIEL, GAGHIEL, ISRAFEL,
SANDALPHON, MATARIEL, SAHAQIEL, IREUL, LELIEL, BARDIEL, ZERUEL, ARAEL,
ARMISAEL, TABRIS, METATRON

I invite your coments.

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:24:37 -0700

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

Well at least it isn't Byzantine......) You should look at the Heavy Gear
background....Very similar where the Catholic church got it's own planet.
Contact me off list.....I have some data for you.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:56:15 +0200

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

Well, we Romans might not fire on them without provocation. But we aren't
permitting port calls. We remember the last time we let an armed papal fleet
into our ports.

PS: We STILL want those damn lions back from Venice.

Seriously, why not? After all, the Latins are rich, powerful, and ever eager
to extend their temporal power (having lost sight of any other objective
centuries ago). In addition to the Papal Guard, it also gives some people (not
naming names) an excuse to paint starships red, with a white Maltese cross on
them to go with the black ones with white crosses. The white ones with black
crosses would probably
retain semi-regular status as NSL troops.  It would be an interesting
exercise. With the failure of the LLAR and the PAU's status as a
third-rate power, one imagines a number of Catholics from those areas
would welcome a chance to serve their religion directly.

Hey, we've got Jews, Orthodox Christians, Muslims, and now Catholics in space.
The Mongols are Bhuddist, the Japanese State Shinto. The NAC, FSE, NSL,
Scandanavians, OU are religiously tolerant (and could
be argued to be largely post-Christian), the ESU militantly atheist.
The PAU is a real mixed bag--given that any given African nation has a
mix of Christians, Muslims, and Animists in varying proportions and levels of
hostility it's a miracle there isn't more religiously motivated violence than
there is already. Romanov Hegemony is Orthodox, Indonesian Commonwealth
predominately Muslim but with a bunch of Buddhists and a militant Catholic
minority in assimiliated Indochina.

I guess the Prods just aren't enthusiastic enough to try to set up a
non-secular state in space.  Of course, having seen a Baptist church
try to get through a series of meetings to discuss a single church's operating
budget I can't imagine the spaceship design process.

The ones getting really shortchanged in all this are the Indians. I don't see
them being happy little Eurasian Communists en masse. There's gotta be a
seperatist Hindu Homeland out there somewhere. Would be interesting, but I
don't know nearly enough about Indian culture or history to be the one to
write it up.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:57:16 +0200

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:24:37 -0700, Don M <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> wrote:

Yeah. We make for better neighbors. All we'll send you are monks with
translators.

And our monks don't wear armor and white crosses.

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:31:57 -0700

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

Yeah. We make for better neighbors.

***Only to Armenians.......)

All we'll send you are monks with translators.

***Yeah just keep um fed and happy.....)

And our monks don't wear armor and white crosses.

***Too well fed to pull off the wearing of armor.......)

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:37:35 -0700

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

PS: We STILL want those damn lions back from Venice.

***But they look so nice at St Marks'.........)

gives some people (not naming names) an excuse to paint starships red, with a
white Maltese cross on them to go with the black ones with white crosses. The
white ones with black crosses would probably
retain semi-regular status as NSL troops.

***Huruph

The Mongols are Bhuddist

***With a large helping of nature and ancestor worship thrown into the mix.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:07:57 +0200

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:31:57 -0700, Don M <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> wrote:

Hey, the Bulgarians liked us better than than they liked you. Especially after
we civilized them at swordpoint.

> And our monks don't wear armor and white crosses.

Too observant of the canons, besides.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:03:17 +0200

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:15:05 -0700, Don M <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> wrote:

Hey, gotta break a couple heads if you want to make omlettes. Or peaceful
frontier.

> Too observant of the canons, besides.

I'm sure they were translated to Latin for those semi-literate
barbarians in the west.

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:15:05 -0700

Subject: Re: "Possible New Minor Power" - major upgrade (LONG)

Hey, the Bulgarians liked us better than than they liked you. Especially after
we civilized them at swordpoint.

***Thanks Basil II.........For helping so many "See"
the light......)

Too observant of the canons, besides.

***Don't count it's not in Latin........;-P