Pocket Battleships

3 posts · Jul 27 1998 to Jul 29 1998

From: KueckH@a...

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:45:56 EDT

Subject: Re: Pocket Battleships

Hi everyone!!!

> John wrote:

They're called "Panzerschiffe" (Armoured Ships) in german and were classed as
Heavy Cruisers towards the end of WW2. Panzerschiffe were no battleships, but
a new class of ships between Heavy Cruisers and Battlecruisers. They were
optimized for commerce raiding and not to fight other warships above cruiser
size. I don't know of any official (english) designation for them.

Tschüß!!! Hauke

From: Tim Schmidt <tims@t...>

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:22:09 -0700

Subject: Re: Pocket Battleships

The pocket battleships actually more resembled WW1 armored cruisers than
anything else. An "AC" designation might be appropriate.

Tim

> KueckH@aol.com wrote:

> Hi everyone !!!

From: Mikko Kurki-Suonio <maxxon@s...>

Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:58:19 +0300 (EEST)

Subject: Re: Pocket Battleships

> On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 KueckH@aol.com wrote:

> They're called "Panzerschiffe" (Armoured Ships) in german and were

The problem with designations designed by A is that sometimes B builds
something that doesn't quite fit the parameters... The "pocket battleships" is
one such case.

The correct answer ofcourse is that there is no official English designation
for a German ship, it's their ship and they can call it whatever they like to.

The designation system arose from the naval treaties of the era: 10000 tons
and max 8" guns was classed as heavy cruisers, anything heavier being
classed as capital ships -- this lead to a very distinct gap in the
designs as if you were going to use up your treaty allotment of capital ships,
it made no sense to pull your punches with a 15000 ton vessel or somesuch.

The treaties also caused very interesting attempts to "bend the rules",
including a French sub with 8" guns.

Germany, OTOH, wanted their stuff to be classed as CA because they were under
very strict limitations. So they lied about the tonnage etc.