Pirates, USCG and concealed turrets and Reds under the Beds

3 posts ยท Jan 15 2002 to Jan 15 2002

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:00:40 -0500

Subject: Pirates, USCG and concealed turrets and Reds under the Beds

1) Pirates and USCG

Magic, when does an anti-piracy op change from CG control to Navy? What
is the distinction? Jurisdiction? Severity? Who sees it? What?

2) Concealed turrets. I'd suggest you price the weapon as one size class
larger. In this case, I'd suggest the weapon is an APSW (DS2 really needs a
heavy APSW too...). So instead of taking 1 cap point, I'd say 2. If you mount
an
RFAC/1, I'd say 6.

3) Reds under the Beds

Alan's story of the Tolkien Society (subversive movement if ever there was,
probably inspired by all that Sindarin drivel and lead by someone with
pretension of having long ears, a long life and a sharp tongue like Elrond
*wink*) made me reflect to a model parliament we ran when I was in HS. It was
in Alberta (the rest follows from that) and so we had the NDP (small but vocal
faction with a lot of bright radicals), the Liberals (small but not so bright
faction), the conservatives (mid sized
faction, staid) and the ultra-conservatives (fairly large, quite active
with policies like offering the US Quebec as a Cruise Missile test area). It
was funny because at one point, NDP activists brought in "H20 SMGs" and mowed
down the PM and a pile of the cabinet in a hail of "gunfire" (not quite the
right term for water is it?). It was fun and everyone got a good feel for
democratic process, including the dictatorship of the majority component....
now what was even funnier was seeing what had happened to some of the
intellectual elite (okay, or so it seemed at the time) 10 years later at our
HS reunion.... some just hadn't gone too far (or had gone quite a ways in a
disreputable
direction....).

And yeah, wankers end up in politics. Smart people mostly avoid it like the
plague unless they have a martyr complex.

Tomb.

From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@m...>

Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:30:48 +1100

Subject: RE: Pirates, USCG and concealed turrets and Reds under the Beds

G'day,

> Magic, when does an anti-piracy op change from CG control to
What?

OK I don't know what level it swaps over for US actions, but I do know that
the US is/has been sending CG personnel to Southeast Asian countries to
train up their Navy in anti-piracy stuff.

Cheers

From: Robert Makowsky <rmakowsky@y...>

Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:42:06 -0400

Subject: RE: Pirates, USCG and concealed turrets and Reds under the Beds

Tomb,

A good question for our own CG lawyers (I know, I know, worse than pirates!).

It would be a matter of distance from the US and who was doing it.

If it was a governmental organization it would be USN.

If it was criminals stealing boats in the Caribbean it would be USCG.

Jurisdiction is clear, Navy cannot board vessels on the high seas unless we
are at war. I'm not sure if "War on Terrorism" counts. USCG can with
permission from the Flagged country. If the vsl is not flying a countries flag
then they can be boarded.

This results in USCG LE Teams being carried on USN vessels to do boarding. The
Navy chases and stops the vsl and the USCG has the right of boarding. Best of
both worlds.

As for Beth's comment about USCG training - this is ongoing all over but
in
Southeast Asia they are concentrating on Anti-Piracy.

Magic

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