Hello all,
Inspired by some pictures I saw of some of the recent MaK comic strips, I set
out this evening to convert two of my PAs to a DFFG team. Now, by
my understanding a DFFG/1 can be used as a crew-served weapon by a crew
of from between 2-4 normal infantry. Is it safe to assume then that a
PA team of two could carry and fire a DFFG/1.
The model I have made comprises one PA with an under-the-arm cannon
connected by cable to a large powerpack carried by another PA behind it.
The PA carrying the cannon does not have the normal built-in laser but
does carry a ballistic shield on the arm.
Is it reasonable to assume that these two PA are an effective support unit?
Eli
On Friday, October 12, 2001 5:04 PM, Eli Arndt
> [SMTP:emu2020@wattosjunkyard.com] wrote:
The PA carrying the cannon does not have the normal built-in laser but
does carry a ballistic shield on the arm.
Sounds good. Although this would be more along the lines of a HEL/1.
The descriptions in both SG & DS have the DFFG listed as firing "rounds" like
normal tank guns. The one I use for my PA has FC: d4, I: d12x2* using heavy
weapon bands and uses ammo markers.
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> Eli Arndt wrote:
Now, by my understanding a DFFG/1 can be used as a crew-served weapon by
a crew of from between 2-4 normal infantry. Is it safe to assume then
that a PA team of two could carry and fire a DFFG/1.
> The model I have made comprises one PA with an under-the-arm cannon
The PA carrying the cannon does not have the normal built-in laser but
does carry a ballistic shield on the arm.
> Is it reasonable to assume that these two PA are an effective support
Depending on the group you play with I'd let one PA carry a DFFG/1.
Depending on how anime your friends are you can get away with a lot of things
with big guns:) I'm a big fan of the heavy weapon mounted on a back pack and
extending over the shoulder. I'm planning on modifying the New Isrieli troops
I'm ordering to replave the shoulder missile launcher with all the different
types of heavy infantry support weapons.
Hmmm. Any Size-1 weapon would be cumbersome for a
PA (just like a size-2 weapon is the largest you
can mount on a size-1 vehicle).
So I would suggest that any PA with a Size-1 weapon
would have to be Slow Power Armor. And that would be its only weapon (i.e. no
standard gun).
In DS2 just count it as a Hvy Weapons Team of PA and pay a point difference
for the DFFG instead of
the GMS/L.
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Actually, you're right and it would be a bit more in keeping with the themes
of the PAs in Mak which use almost all laser weapons for direct fire.
Now I need to find a source of 25/28mm panzerfausts.
Anybody have any ideas?
Eli
> "Robertson, Brendan" <Brendan.Robertson@dva.gov.au>
"'gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU'" <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu> RE: PA carried
DFFGs?Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:12:12 +1000
> Reply-To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
The
> descriptions in both SG & DS have the DFFG listed as firing "rounds"
like
> normal tank guns.
> At 02:29 12/10/01 -0700, Eli wrote:
There's the spare weapons that GZG produces, you can use one of the missile
launchers.
> Eli Arndt wrote:
1/72 WWII infantry?
Well, too small and ultimately attached to the soldiers carrying them.
You know I don't think you can find them in any scale other than 1/35
and you get maybe 4 to a box of like 50 weapons.
Eli
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:28:41 -0700
If what I'm remembering panzerfausts look like is correct, RAFM or who ever
had the license made a bits pack for Heavy Gear that had some something that
looked like panzerfausts onna stick in it. I think. Even if I have it straight
this is probably not much help as the line is OOP...
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How about cotton swabs with the wooden or plastic sticks? Add a dab of glue on
the end and press the cotton into a slightly conical depression to get the
right shape of a panzerfaust. Trim to the appropriate length. Might be a
little oversized, but it would allow you to make as many as you want.
--Binhan
Actually, you're right and it would be a bit more in keeping with the themes
of the PAs in Mak which use almost all laser weapons for direct fire.
Now I need to find a source of 25/28mm panzerfausts.
Anybody have any ideas?
Howdy all,
I just make my 25/28mm 'fausts out of aluminum tubing (from the local
hardware/hobby store) and sculpy. Once you get the right size, and
technique you can crank them out pretty quickly.
Scott Clinton The Grumbling Grognard
> From: Binhan Lin <Lin@RXKINETIX.com>
> glue
Might
> be
An interesting idea. I think I have a thruster cone from a Gundam model that
might fit the bill. I'll give it a test with what I have around the house.
Thanks,
Eli
> Binhan Lin <Lin@RXKINETIX.com> "'gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu'"
<gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu> RE: PA carried DFFGs?Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001
13:55:02 -0600
> Reply-To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Might be
> a little oversized, but it would allow you to make as many as you want.
I've worked with sculpy before with varying degrees of success. What I am
lookign for is to maximize consistency and minimize labor. I'll see if I can
give this a try.
Do you bake the warheads before or after you attach them to the shafts?
Eli
> "Scott Clinton" <grumbling_grognard@hotmail.com>
gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu RE: PA carried DFFGs?Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001
15:12:36 -0500
> Reply-To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Might
> be
> Do you bake the warheads before or after you attach them to the shafts?
Before, that way I can then use 5min epoxt to attach them to the shaft.
That way they are stronger. I don't feel 'right' baking my epoxy...
:-|
While these packs are good for conversions. None of them actually includes
anything resembling a Panzerfaust. Maybe a Panzerschreck or a bazooka.
Thanks though,
Eli
> "Don M" <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu> Re: PA carried
Ray, They do fit well with true 25mm troops, I picked up a few packs and have
done allot of conversion work with them..........Don
> Coming in a bit late, but while he RAFM HO scale Heavy Gear stuff is
OOOO...um...do you know who might produce them in any number?
Eli
> "Don M" <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu> Re: PA carried
I
> think
Oh ,your right there the best thing for that I think is a 1/35th scale
mortar round, gives you the right shape and is easy to work with.
> While these packs are good for conversions. None of them actually
I think
> >this
Eli, yes Tamiya WWII weapons sets, the German one has mortar rounds the US one
has a few bazooka shells that would also work. Oh the German set also has the
small early Panzerfaust as well as the later larger one........just might
work.
Don
> OOOO...um...do you know who might produce them in any number?
> Ray Forsythe wrote:
> [T]he RAFM HO scale Heavy Gear stuff is OOP...
In case anyone is interested, there are a few packs of the HO scale HG stuff
still available at a local gaming store here in Eugene. This includes Gears,
Vehicles, Infantry, and (I THINK) weapons packs. If anyone wants the stuff,
I'll get a list of what's left. Send me the money in US$, along with Shipping,
and I'll buy it and send it to me. Contact me offline.
As an aside, they also have some HG infantry and a field arty piece. I'll
probably buy these for myself. I thought they'd make great 15mm for SG, but
there are two problems: 1. I don't have or play SG (yet) 2. Everyone seems to
play 25mm only
However, with a bit of bashing, the carriage-mounted arty piece might
make a
passable RFAC (as a chain gun, not a multi-bbl) even in 25mm.
BrCB
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
From: "Brian Bilderback" <bbilderback@hotmail.com>
> As an aside, they also have some HG infantry and a field arty piece.
I'll
> probably buy these for myself. I thought they'd make great 15mm for
and you're waiting for.....? Call it an early Christmas present.
> 2. Everyone seems to play 25mm only
Nonsense, nobody except a few holdouts from the last century uses 25mm
anymore. 15mm is fine for SG. (And 6mm would make the figure scale match the
ground scale pretty closely,
they're cheaper, they're easier to paint--but TomB has implied that it
would be bad for my health to keep comparing the virtues of 6mm to his huge,
> Brian Bilderback wrote:
I'm always looking for Gears.
Jaime,
Looking for anything specific. I live a hop from a shop I know carries
some. Send me a list off-list and I can check for you.
Eli
> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:32:43 -0700
From: "Chris DeBoe"
> > 1. I don't have or play SG (yet)
We'll see. I'm unemployed right now, working only temp jobs, and my wife is
the only one working permanently. I'll probably buy FT before FT. One land
game, one space game. Seems fair.
> > 2. Everyone seems to play 25mm only
Help me clear up what exactly 15mm SHOULD be. eg 6mm is roughly 1/285th
or
1/300th. is 15 mm 1/144th? 1/100th? 1/72nd?
Incidentally, aside from the old HO Heavy Gear, there are THREE lines of
figyures from DP9 I'm aware of. The new HG stufF is 1/100th scale. The
Jovian Chronicles stuff is 1/500th (though apparently fighters in JC are
so HUMONGOUS that I found it useful to buy some as DSII ground attack craft).
And the Gear Krieg stuff is, I THINK, the same scale as the HG, but don't
quote me.
BrCB
Well, there's a TON, so let me know if you have any specifically in mind.
BrCB
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> Help me clear up what exactly 15mm SHOULD be. eg 6mm is roughly
> I'll probably buy FT before FT. One land
I assume you mean "FT before SG". FT is good, FT Fleet Book 1 has a fairly
extensive reworking of the design system etc and you may want to consider
getting them both at once. Everyone around here uses the Fleet Book rules.
(If you've been paying attention, you know that "everyone around here" means
"me"....but many/most of the listers do use FB rules)
> Chris DeBoe wrote:
> > Help me clear up what exactly 15mm SHOULD be. eg 6mm is roughly
Then the old HG stuff is too big. Being HO, it's probably closer to 25mm.
I always thought 25mm was in the 1/35th range. Shows you what I know.
BrCB
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> Chris DeBoe wrote:
> > I'll probably buy FT before FT. One land
Yeah, that.
> FT is good, FT Fleet Book 1 has a fairly
What kinda cost we talking?
> (If you've been paying attention, you know that "everyone around here"
Of course... does anyone else count?
> ....but many/most of the listers do use FB rules)
I'll consider it. Thanks.
BrCB
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
Yeah, it is. But I've NO idea what 25mm is.....
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> >IIRC (no guarantee!), HO is 1/87
Thanks, THAT clears things up.
So are HO figs too BIG, too SMALL, what? BrCB
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
> Brian Bilderback wrote:
> Help me clear up what exactly 15mm SHOULD be. eg 6mm is roughly
15mm is about to 1/90ish
> Incidentally, aside from the old HO Heavy Gear, there are THREE lines
The
> Jovian Chronicles stuff is 1/500th (though apparently fighters in JC
The new HG is 1/100, Gear Krieg is 15mm, and the old HG is HO or about
20mm.
> Jaime Tiampo wrote:
> > And the Gear Krieg stuff is, I THINK, the same scale as the HG, but
Hey! You quoted me!!!!
Thanks for clearing that up. So if HO is 20mm, it's a bit too big for 15mm
games, too small for 25mm. Doesn't that just suck. Too bad, because the NEW HG
and JC mecha are perfect in size as PA inf when used with OLD HG infantry and
Mecha. Maybe the Gear Krieg stuff can be kit bashed to eliminate the Retro
look, used for futuristic Sci Fi a la SG.
Incidentally, some of the weapons carried by the humanoid JC figs would be
great for adding to DS vehicles.
BrCB
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> Brian Bilderback wrote:
Well it's easier then just writting whiout knowing what you're refering too:)
> Thanks for clearing that up. So if HO is 20mm, it's a bit too big for
Not exactly. HG HO is fine for 25mm combat walkers. They'll weight in at a
class 1 vehicle.
> Jaime Tiampo wrote:
> Not exactly. HG HO is fine for 25mm combat walkers. They'll weight in
But if I take the current stream of advice and go with 15mm, that's all out
the window.
BrCB
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
It's the infantry I was drooling over.
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: Jaime Tiampo <fugu@spikyfishthing.com>
> Brian Bilderback wrote:
For 15mm I'd go with the new 1/100 HG stuff if you want walkers. That's
what we use and they fit in fine. For air support we're using hacks of
1/144 stuff.
> Brian Bilderback wrote:
Too big for 15, too small for 25.
Oh Lord the scale inconsistency thing arises it's head! <grin>
I used to think that the TMP (theminiaturespage.com) scale in the reference
system was a great place to start (still do to some extent) so that you learn
that
1)two different lines of "X mm" figures are figured totally incompatibly
and
2)If I mix plastic and metal but create enough races (human, humanoid,
humanoid looking animal based, non-humanoid animal/plant races - I can
rationalize anything I want. Mouse warriors (Yes, those are mine on the Eureka
100 club,) Irregular's 33mm "25mm" meta human 'Giants,' Irregular 15mm Sf
figures as "Elves" (actually pretty nice figures in my mind,) 'true' 25mm
Reviresco humans and humanoids (Go Nektons!) and 6mm (and there is a world of
difference between 6mm lines) "Death Sprites" that IF I was a Stargrunt (as
opposed to Starguard) player I could use anything together by just designing
the scenarios to match the "races" I have on hand. HAven't tried the 2mm
stuff, yet.
(Pet Peeve alert - pun intended) BTW, why do we call them "Races"?
Wouldn't "species" be more appropriate? "Race" isn't even useful in describing
human groupings in Stargrunt!
Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
This is my Science Fiction Alter Ego E-mail address.
Historical - Warbeads@juno.com
Fantasy and 6mm - dwarf_warrior@juno.com
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:46:25 -0700 "Brian Bilderback"
> <bbilderback@hotmail.com> writes:
1/107th
For a really good reference page, try
http://theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html
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> --- Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com> wrote:
> (Pet Peeve alert - pun intended) BTW, why do we call
Or IRL, given that most categories are determined based more on cosmetic
factors than any real knowledge of the relations of the persons involved. I
mean, the term "black" covers groups far more unrelated than, say, Germans and
certain ethnic groups on the Indian subcontinent. And Turks started out as
displaced Koreans (as did the Japanese), and now have interbred with the
peoples they conquered in the Balkans to the point that you can't tell a Turk
from a Greek at first
glance--and frequently upon closer examination either.
Anyone who thinks in terms of "race" is using sloppy terminology at the very
least.
I think the whole 'race' thing in gaming is all Gary Gygax's fault,
dating way back to 3-book, white box D&D
> John Atkinson wrote:
> --- Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com> wrote:
I actually think it has something to do with wanting to seperate between
intelligent and animal subgroups. I think there is a habit to think of species
as a way to denote animal groups. Race seems to directly relate to intelligent
beings.
Eli
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:16:19 -0700
PA carried DFFGs?Reply-To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> I think the whole 'race' thing in gaming is all Gary Gygax's fault,