Overall fleet sizes

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Time to spark up another thread of controversy for the wolves to ravage.

If Mark is even within +/-100% with his FB fleet lists (no gaurantees,
I'm sure he'd say, but the best effort so far), then I recall the number
140,000 points being touted for the NAC fleet. Is this correct? Did someone
actually run the calcs for the fleet lists Mark made? if so, do they have the
numbers? (And has someone done this in such a way that it
will be easy to redo? - it seems to me this list should eventually make
it into a spreadsheet or db thus making this task easier - esp if
recalculation is req'd).

Assume that 140K is a little shy (I didn't see fleet replenishers, various
training and gate vessels, survey vessels, coastal (in this case planetary)
patrol ships, and all the small or kind of oddball ships (recovery vessels
etc) the fleet usually has). I think it more likey that the point value is
somewhere around 175K (if we added in various other elements). So, if the NAC
is around 175 K points, and it rates a 10 on our "big and nasty scale", what
does that say about the other powers?

Where does the ESU, NSL, FSE, NI, OU, LLAR, FCT, JAP, KNG, etc fall in that
spectra?

This is of some interest to me as it will help "parameterize" the fleet sizes.

Basically, I'm sure you could get a feel from them by using roughly the
following method: R(pop): ratio of population in question to NAC est (current
day) (For ESU, say 1.3 to 1.6)
R(tech): ratio of techinical advancement/productivity relative to NAc
(say ESU = 0.8)
P-NAC: The estimated size of the NAC (big boy) fleet - 150 - 175K

P(other power) = R(pop) * R(tech) * P-NAC
For our conjectural ESU = 2.0 (a guess!) * 0.5 (another guess) * 175K = about
175K

The productivity factor can also include inefficiencies in maintenance and
procurement to effectively limit fleet size.

Now, that's one approach. The reverse approach is constructing fleet lists
like Mark did, and working backwards to get the ratio of
productivity (you know the rough population figures of today - that
ratio can be used as a fudge but it's a known, and if you use this method, you
know roughly the size of your other nations fleet).

In any case, I'm interested to see where that puts our other nations....
thoughts? i'm looking to ballpark the various nations fleet sizes.
Keep in mind of course no non-canon nation would be very able to match
the NAC in size... I suspect starting with a population of say 700 billion is
a big stepping stone. But the ESU must have a starting pop of about 1.5
billion. (in 2000 terms).

So.... what do we think? Advocates, lobbyists, special interest groups, and
general caterwauling masses please form an orderly line at the email
server..... :)